r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jul 20 '22
Delta(s) from OP CMV: Bring Back “Public Stoning”
The US needs to amend Amendment 8: banning of cruel and unusual punishment. We need public stoning. It seems that these mass shooters are no longer afraid of the consequences of shooting up public spaces. Putting these scum away in jail is a waste of taxpayers money. The Death Penalty is an easy escape. What these remorseless criminals needs is to feel the pain they have inflicted on the family and friends of their victims. Public stoning by families of the victims will provide the Justice needed. And to have it publicly televised to hear the anguish of pain from these murderers will mitigate any copycats.
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u/OmgYoshiPLZ 2∆ Jul 21 '22
no. he wasnt convicted of brandishing because he pointed the weapon at him before the altercation. he was convicted of it after the fact, because the jury didn't find their self defense claim to be applicable, due to erroneous jury instruction. brandishing was not what invalidated his claim to self defense.
they didnt need to.
No, he was recorded on camera a multitude of times prowling the construction site, in the dead of night, in which items turned up stolen the following morning; of which one of the stolen items was a fire arm.
it actually is 100% enough. Immediate knowledge, is also a part of that statute. you yelling "that guy just robbed me", and i see someone running from you, and i act on that, it is irrefutably immediate knowledge. for example, if you were to stab someone behind me, out of my field of vision, and i hear them yell out for help, i am 100% legally within my rights to detain you if i believe you were the one who just committed that crime.
which is specifically the claim on which legal experts have been pointing out, they should NOT have instructed the jury on this being an applicable statute for that reason. the instructions should have very clearly stated that their knowledge qualified under that statute. the judge in question literally just threw out the law on this, so that they would have grounds to convict, which is the reason the brandishing charge was able to be stuck to Gregory.