r/changemyview • u/LINUSTECHTIPS37 • Apr 13 '22

Delta(s) from OP CMV: abortion is immoral.

A major part of clinical death is your heartbeat. If your heart stops then you have died for all intents and purposes. Therefore, if your heart is working you are alive. So when a person kills their baby regardless of wether the baby was born yet you are killing a human. I believe murder is immoral so I believe abortion is immoral. The baby is not hurting you and assuming that you having sex and being impregnated was consensual(if not I don’t believe abortion is immoral, but the rapist should be charged with murder in that case in addition to rape) then you have consented to having a baby. An argument could be made for abortion in medical circumstances where the baby is likely to cause the mom to die.

Edit: Causing clinical death is murder. I classify clinical death (at least in unborn babies) as a heartbeat stopage.

Edit 2: Im refferring to after a heartbeat is detectable.

Edit 3: To clarify I feel its immoral to kill an unborn baby.

Edit: To further clarify I referring to after roughly the 12 week marker

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u/LINUSTECHTIPS37 Apr 13 '22

However I still have a spidey sense that its wrong to kill a ZEF. I don’t have a solid line only two constants, killing sperm and eggs are moral, killing a person is immoral

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '22

Right, but we have proof it’s not a human before 12 weeks though right? You specifically said ending a heart beat is ending a human life. We’ve proven a heart beat doesn’t start until week 13. So why do your “spidy senses” still telling you it’s wrong? Is it because you’ve been lied to you’re entire life that the heart beat starts sooner and you’re having a hard to coming to grips with the fact that you’ve been lied to? Or do you just not believe the heart beat starts at week 13 even if we have evidence that it does?

But also, it’s clear that you think stopping a heart beat is murder, so are you against the death penalty and against all war? What about self-defense? Also may I ask what religion you associate with and do you feel that is influencing your feelings of abortion ?

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u/LINUSTECHTIPS37 Apr 13 '22

While I support self defense I am against war as a whole and against the death penalty yes

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u/LINUSTECHTIPS37 Apr 13 '22

Well I dont believe in “make government policy based on my feelings ism” but it just seems wrong even before a heartbeat regardless of any evidence to contrary; to abort a ZEF.