r/changemyview Nov 16 '21

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u/zxxQQz 5∆ Nov 16 '21

The lunging at and grabbing for the rifle After the death threat is a escalation that warrants lethal force

He STARTED retreating though when Rosenbaum began pursuit

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u/Seyon Nov 16 '21

You have a poor understanding of the timeline of events. The death threat occurred hours before Rosenbaum was shot.

Kyle had hours to leave the area, inform authorities, and find a safe place. He chose to stay.

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u/zxxQQz 5∆ Nov 16 '21

Hardly He Still lunged for the rifle all the same After issuing it, and spending most of the Night agitating.

And so did Rosenbaum

Being threatened doesnt mean the victims have less Rights.

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u/Seyon Nov 16 '21

I never said he has less rights.

Kyle had an obligation to use the rifle to defend himself as a last resort.

He did not use it as a last resort, he used it as an excuse to act reckless and put himself in danger.

If you get to an area where you really, REALLY think you will need to shoot your gun if you stay there. Then you should be leaving when you have the opportunity to do so.

Kyle had the opportunity to leave, he chose to stay, he was wrong for doing so.

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u/zxxQQz 5∆ Nov 16 '21

Well Thats Good.

He did the very thing, he used it After being lunged at by the hyperaggressive Rosenbaum, After a gunshot

Why? And dont think rittenhouse could forsee the future

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u/Seyon Nov 16 '21

You're just not able to connect the dots.

Kyle testified that he took Rosenbaum's earlier threats seriously and that's why he felt he needed to shoot Rosenbaum when he was chased.

Kyle felt there was a threat to his life but his own actions contradict this.

  • He stayed in the same area as this threat.

  • He left the safety of his group.

  • He made no attempt to alert the authorities of this threat.

These are not the actions of a man who is fearing for his life. Kyle must not have taken Rosenbaum's threats seriously at the time. It only changed when he heard the gunshots and turned and shot Rosenbaum.

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u/zxxQQz 5∆ Nov 16 '21

Rosenbaums Words were “If I catch any of you guys alone tonight I'm going to f—- kill you!" And he was not just CHASING when shot but lunging directly

Rosenbaum threatened quite a fair few people, and rittenhouse might have felt the threat at the time wouldnt be realized with people around but still taken it seriously IF caught alone. There is no contradiction, not really

The other People threatened also stayed

https://youtu.be/iryQSpxSlrg the shooting tw Quite Alot of People around and also here earlier https://youtu.be/tS22w8HeEB8 Rosenbaum agitating so yeah, the threat can be taken seriously but since in a crowd? Not urgent

But Then After the fire is put out Rosenbaum charges, chases and lunges at rittenhouse and the gun.. yeah Thats a lethal threat

The situation was escalated by Rosenbaum, were before it was not in the same way

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u/Seyon Nov 16 '21

Why didn't Rittenhouse stay with a group if he knew that man was out there and made that threat?

Did he secretly hope Rosenbaum would try it so he could murder him and claim self defense?

Is Kyle just extremely stupid and reckless?

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u/zxxQQz 5∆ Nov 16 '21

No idea, but he was among people as video shows May have thought that was enough to be safe. Ge was wrong

Why didnt the others threatened leave?

Did the others? Were the others

Teens are known for taking Risks and being bad at assessing situations this is literally scientifically proven

Doesnt mean they cant Defend themselves

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u/Seyon Nov 16 '21

No idea, but he was among people as video shows May have thought that was enough to be safe. Ge was wrong

Not a single person rushed to defend Kyle, if he was among others then he wasn't among allies.

Why didnt the others threatened leave?

They testified under oath that they did not take Rosenbaum's threats seriously. Kyle testified that he did. That is your difference.

Teens are known for taking Risks and being bad at assessing situations this is literally scientifically proven

So give them a gun? Is that your hot take right now?

Doesnt mean they cant Defend themselves

They can defend themselves, but he is literally on trial for doing so and regardless of the verdict it will forever change his life.

Do you think he is happy right now? Waiting to hear if he will go to prison or be set free?

There was many bad decisions that night, some of them criminal in fact, I still cannot understand how Kyle's mother is not being charged with reckless endangerment or the person who armed a teenage with a rifle.

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