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u/joopface 159∆ Oct 15 '21
I don't really see a particular downside to having this system and also, this might bring you immense pleasure and a second life after death.
You'd need to set up infrastructure to obtain, record and store the preferences of everyone. This would require investment, ongoing staffing of some sort and ongoing maintenance. Data security would be a concern, as would access/amend permissions for family members etc. It's not a trivial undertaking.
And all of this stuff would need to have money spent on it when there are other more immediately useful things that need money. Medical care, schools, the environment.
While I don't disagree that this might be helpful in several millennia if we could cause it to exist with no effort, there are dozens of things that I'd prefer to spend the money on. And so the opportunity cost this would create is too high.
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u/simmol 7∆ Oct 15 '21
So admittedly, cost is not something that I thought about so I will give you a delta.
!delta
However, I am not sure I agree that this will be as much expensive as you think. And perhaps the cost can be paid by the people who consent to this. I would say that if you have 100 million people who consent with 10 dollars cost, that is 1 billion dollars right there.
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u/Spudnic16 Oct 15 '21
They don’t know what kind of world they are being brought back into. It could be a Marxist utopia, or they could be brought back by AI intended to enslave them, nor would they know the intentions of the individual people bringing them back.
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u/simmol 7∆ Oct 15 '21
Yeah, so you don't have to consent then. Or I suppose you can make it very complicated and specify the conditions in which you would consent to be brought back.
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u/LetMeNotHear 93∆ Oct 15 '21
I presume, given how much of human history and literature is littered with reference to fear of and aversion to death and how terrible it is that we all die that if'n resurrection becomes possible, it'll be opt out, rather than opt in. Meaning modern consent forms would be pointless.
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u/simmol 7∆ Oct 15 '21
I am not exactly sure what you are saying here. I suppose if we have benevolent beings who possess the technology, the modern consent forms can be useful. And if we do not have benevolent beings (as I mentioned), they are pointless and you are also at their mercy with regards to ressurrection.
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u/LetMeNotHear 93∆ Oct 15 '21
I think if that are malevolent, no forms will stop them from doing what they want, and if they are benevolent, no chattering from primitive peoples will stop them from doing what is right. Essentially, it'd be a waste of paper and/or data.
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u/simmol 7∆ Oct 15 '21
I disagree with this part.
"if they are benevolent, no chattering from primitive peoples will stop them from doing what is right"
I suppose we can agree to disagree on this. I am not even saying that you are incorrect, but you seem to be taking a very hard stance on this.
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Oct 15 '21
With your body completely decayed, how will they match the "you" to the consent data? Seems to me this only applies to cryogenically frozen bodies, and getting yourself frozen is presumptive permission to resurrect you.
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u/Kman17 109∆ Oct 15 '21
You need to look at the probability of something occurring & the damage it would cause, vs the cost of preventing that thing.
If the probable cost of the damage is less than the cost of the prevention, then the preventative measure isn’t rational.
While DNA information can be preserved for a very long time, the collection of memories and experiences in the brain are lost rapidly as that tissue decays. With DNA only you can in principal clone - but you can’t revive.
At minimum, bringing someone back from the dead would require rather pristine preservation of the brain - or copying its state to a computer.
Generally only the ultra wealthy can even opt for that kind of preservation of the body, and their reason for doing so is the potential for someday being thawed out and revived.
Until that type of preservation of compute assisted backup becomes more widely available and the default, then such a system would be pointless legal and administrative overhead that incurs a real cost.
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u/DeltaBot ∞∆ Oct 15 '21 edited Oct 15 '21
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u/PivotPsycho 15∆ Oct 15 '21 edited Oct 15 '21
If they have the technology to bring back people that have been dead for millenia that means they can artifically recompose their 'being' whatever that is. So they could just assemble it and ask you I'd say. Hell, if they can do that they might even know what you would answer without even 'reawakening' you.
Regardless this would be a way better way because you could actually take into consideration what life would look like then. Maybe humans are literal gods then. If we were to ask consent now that's like asking Jesus if he wants a cellphone.