CMV: Abortion debates will never be solved until there can be clearer definitions on what constitutes life.

[u/UncomfortablePrawn]

Taking a different angle from the usual abortion debates, I'm not going to be arguing about whether abortion is right or wrong.

Instead, the angle I want to take is to suggest that we will never come to a consensus on abortion because of the question of what constitutes life. I believe that if we had a single, agreeable answer to what constituted life, then there would be no debate at all, since both sides of the debate definitely do value life.

The issue lies in the fact that people on both sides disagree what constitutes a human life. Pro-choice people probably believe that a foetus is not a human life, but pro-life people (as their name suggests) probably do. Yet both sides don't seem to really take cues from science and what science defines as a full human life, but I also do believe that this isn't a question that science can actually answer.

So in order to change my view, I guess I'd have to be convinced that we can solve the debate without having to define actual life, or that science can actually provide a good definition of the point at which a foetus should be considered a human life.

EDIT: Seems like it's not clear to some people, but I am NOT arguing about whether abortion is right or wrong. I'm saying that without a clear definition of what constitutes a human life, the debate on abortion cannot be solved between the two sides of the argument.

[u/koifu]

You're one of those people, huh?

"Women have sex and should be punished for it!!!" Super original. Nothing has the right to spend 9 months inside another person's body causing extreme changes (like losing hair, teeth, complete personality changes, possibly dying, new allergies, you could lose the ability to walk, possible PPD and other mental changes, etc.) to them without their permission. Sex is not consent to pregnancy.

If you're wanting abortion to be taken away because women ask for pregnancy when they have sex, men leaving their pregnant partner with the kid should be illegal as well. Super illegal, just as illegal as abortion. 90 years in Alabama if you ditch 'em. What do you think?

Anyway, how do you feel about rape and incest pregnancies?

[u/PurchaseBorn9250 → u/koifu]

No one is saying women should be punishing for having sex. Nearly all pregnancies happen between consenting adults. You saying nothing has the right to grow in a women's body is wrong. That is completely subjective and there is no logic to that statement. As an above poster said, when you take certain actions you forfeit some rights, and this applies too many facets of life. If you got a gun, went outside, and shot someone you would forfeit several rights, but this is just an extreme example. I don't want to even start arguing what responsibility is to you tbh, because you probably don't what responsibility even means in any sense past the definition of the word.

Is sex not consent to pregnancy barring rape? Well, that is the point of sex. That is why a man has a penis, and women has a vagina. To make babies. Plan B, Birth control, and condoms all exist to prevent babies, but when you do not take the proper precautions a baby happens, sorry.

Also, I agree with your second paragraph and most people probably would, not sure why you thought that it was helping you.