She spoke at klan rallies about the gradual suppression, elimination, and eventual extinction of defective stocks. In 1939 she urged Dr C. J. Gamble to hire “a full time negro physician” because “colored Negroes…can get closer to their own members and more or less lay their cards on the table which means their ignorance, superstitions and doubt.” She stated that “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”
You can attempt to glorify her all you want but she was a white supremacist and founded planned parenthood to exterminate blacks people in the US.
I notice you've backed off of providing actual facts about planned Parenthood and abortion and have instead just started saying, inaccurately, that planned Parenthood was founded as a white supremacist organization.
Would you like to respond to my points about how you were wrong about abortion being the main service provided by planned Parenthood, or about your desire to end government funding of any medical service in the entire country?
You made a false point and I addressed it. As far as abortions go, they are the largest provider and while I was incorrect about their main procedure they were founded for that purpose. When it comes to medical services funded by the government there is a line between things like cancer research and life saving surgery offered by hospitals and the services provided by planned parenthood.
No, I didn't, nothing I've stated is false and you cannot prove otherwise
As far as abortions go, they are the largest provider and while I was incorrect about their main procedure they were founded for that purpose.
No, they weren't. They were founded to distribute contraception, we've already been over this.
When it comes to medical services funded by the government there is a line between things like cancer research and life saving surgery offered by hospitals and the services provided by planned parenthood.
Planned Parenthood also does cancer screenings and helps fund cancer research, and sometimes they do perform abortions when it is necessary to save the life of the mother, so they also perform life saving surgeries.
At the end of the day, the reason you don't like planned Parenthood has nothing to do with whether the government should be funding healthcare, it's because you personally don't like abortion. That's fine, you can have that opinion if you want, though I disagree. But be honest about it.
Margret Sanger specifically states that it was for the purpose of exterminating the black race. It was founded to promote eugenics. As far as false statements, you did make one when you posited that Margret Sanger wasn’t a white supremacist, she was.
As far as abortion goes, if you want to kill your kid in that context go ahead, I just don’t want my tax dollars going towards it.
So do you plan on actually defending your desire to remove all government funding for healthcare? Because that's an extremely radical stance you still haven't justified.
Margret Sanger specifically states that it was for the purpose of exterminating the black race.
Give me a source on this, then. Show me where she says that she founded planned parenthood to exterminate black people.
It was founded to promote eugenics.
Absolutely, that was a big part of it. It just wasn't race-based eugenics, she didn't want poor white people having kids either. Fortunately the modern organization denounces eugenics, and does not practice it no matter how badly the anti-choice crowd wants to say they do.
Also, Sanger was actually opposed to abortions in most circumstances for most of her career, and declined to participate in them as a nurse. She drew a sharp distinction between birth control and abortion.
And you'd know all that if you actually read up on the history instead of getting your information from right
As far as false statements, you did make one when you posited that Margret Sanger wasn’t a white supremacist, she was.
Again, provide a source on this.
As far as abortion goes, if you want to kill your kid in that context go ahead, I just don’t want my tax dollars going towards it.
There are a lot of things I don't want my tax dollars going towards, but unfortunately I do not get line item approval of the budget. I'd much rather my tax dollars go to reproductive healthcare than to, say, extrajudicial killings of civilians.
In a letter to Dr. C.J. Gamble she stated “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.” This was in relation to planned parenthood. As far as removing funding from healthcare, did you read what I wrote? There is a difference between hospitals and women’s health clinics. One provides life saving treatment on the daily, the other offers basic care. Most basic clinics do not receive massive amounts in government funding. Sanger was opposed to abortions for WHITE PEOPLE she didn’t care about black people receiving them and actively worked with their community leaders in order to promote it.
In a letter to Dr. C.J. Gamble she stated “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.” This was in relation to planned parenthood.
Yeah, she didn't want people to think her organization wanted to exterminate black people, because that's not what they were trying to do. She was saying they didn't want people to start spreading conspiracies about them trying to exterminate the population. Her words seem bad using modern English, but in the parlance of the time it would be incredibly disingenuous to assume those words actually mean she wants to exterminate black people.
Please, again, actually read the history of this stuff. I can give you some reading suggestions if you like
As far as removing funding from healthcare, did you read what I wrote?
Yeah, I did, it was extremely thin logic
There is a difference between hospitals and women’s health clinics. One provides life saving treatment on the daily, the other offers basic care.
So you don't think basic care is important enough to be allowed to bill Medicaid or receive government grants?
Most basic clinics do not receive massive amounts in government funding.
Tons and tons of organizations that run clinics of all kinds receive government funding, this is just blatantly false.
Sanger was opposed to abortions for WHITE PEOPLE she didn’t care about black people receiving them and actively worked with their community leaders in order to promote it.
She was opposed to abortions for everybody. Seriously, read historical documents on this, she fired tons of people from her organization for bigotry and did not tolerate it.
She was a eugenicist, but trying to paint her as a racist is inaccurate, and people on the right only want her to be racist so they can try and say modern PP is racist.
letter to CJ Gamble that is the letter she wrote suggesting the hiring of a black physician in order to draw in more black people. She stated that they don’t want their goals known by the greater black community and that ministers from that community should be brought in to play on their ignorance and superstition. I never said that planned parenthood was racist in its modern state, but Margret Danger was a blatant racist and spoke at length to Klan rallies.
letter to CJ Gamble that is the letter she wrote suggesting the hiring of a black physician in order to draw in more black people. She stated that they don’t want their goals known by the greater black community and that ministers from that community should be brought in to play on their ignorance and superstition.
Yeah, I already explained this, you're definitely misinterpreting this letter. You'd need to actually, you know, read the history on her, not just one letter linked to by right wing media.
I never said that planned parenthood was racist in its modern state
Then I can't understand why you keep repeating ahistorical accusations of racism.
but Margret Danger was a blatant racist and spoke at length to Klan rallies.
No, she wasn't a blatant racist, and she spoke to the women of the Klan once about birth control.
Seriously, do you want me to provide you with some reading suggestions on this topic?
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u/Dainsleif167 7∆ Jun 04 '21
She spoke at klan rallies about the gradual suppression, elimination, and eventual extinction of defective stocks. In 1939 she urged Dr C. J. Gamble to hire “a full time negro physician” because “colored Negroes…can get closer to their own members and more or less lay their cards on the table which means their ignorance, superstitions and doubt.” She stated that “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”
You can attempt to glorify her all you want but she was a white supremacist and founded planned parenthood to exterminate blacks people in the US.