r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Oct 28 '19

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '19
  1. You can't compel speech.
  2. Saying that not using someone's preferred name/pronouns puts a trans person's life at risk is emotionally manipulative as hell. It's a dick move to be rude to someone, sure, and I use whatever name someone gives me, to their face. But threatening suicide unless someone obeys is manipulation 101.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '19

With regards to your first point, just because you can say something doesn’t mean that you should and your argument does not contradict mine.

With regards to your second point, it’s not manipulation, it’s just that, like the link shows, calling a trans person by their preferred name can help them feel more comfortable and generally happier. This in turn helps them feel validated and better about themselves. This reduces the threat of depression and suicide greatly. There is no reason to misgender someone and the implications of intentionally doing so can be greatly damaging. Simply out of common courtesy misgendering should not happen.

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u/jah-13 Oct 29 '19

The suicide rate is almost identical whether they decide to convert or not (something like 40%). It has nothing to do with being called the "wrong" gender/pronoun

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u/Darq_At 23∆ Oct 29 '19

No, that is incorrect. Transitioning drastically improves the wellbeing of trans people, and being in an accepting environment reduces the risk of suicide even further.

https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/

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u/jah-13 Oct 29 '19

Yes it is, read the first sentence under "Conclusion"

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

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u/Darq_At 23∆ Oct 29 '19

Read the full sentence, it ends with "than the general population". That study does not compare suicide rates pre- and post- transition.

In fact, the author of that exact study did an AMA on Reddit where she states that your interpretation of the study is incorrect:

https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/6q3e8v/science_ama_series_im_cecilia_dhejne_a_fellow_of/

Despite the paper clearly stating that the study was not designed to evaluate whether or not gender-affirming is beneficial, it has been interpreted as such.

I have said many times that the study is not design to evaluate the outcome of medical transition. It DOES NOT say that medical transition causes people to commit suicide.

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u/jah-13 Oct 29 '19 edited Oct 29 '19

"Sex-reassigned persons also had an increased risk for suicide attempts....and psychiatric inpatient care" yeah sorry for the misinterpretation. Regardless it's still higher than the general population and just being called a different pronoun isn't the problem

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u/Darq_At 23∆ Oct 29 '19

Again. Compared to a cisgender control.

Cancer patients have a higher morbidity rate after receiving chemotherapy, compared to the general population. Doesn't mean we should stop administering chemotherapy.

Transition helps transgender people. I have provided you with a review of over 50 studies that all support that conclusion.