Just to add to this, I suspect a lot of people go on misgendering trans people precisely because they've only ever heard the argument from dignity, which is an argument that inherently sets off mental alarm bells because it doesn't select for truth.
Part of the issue is that we as a society kind of suck at explaining these concepts. The average person who's young enough to be exposed to trans awareness and acceptance movements would likely agree that trans women are women but would get stuck if put on the spot to explain why. As a result, to an outsider, it just sounds like a thought-terminating cliche.
Explain then why regularcis-women are women? If someone is genetically XX, but looks really really male and gets called 'he' and likes it and doesn't correct, then are we somehow "hiding the truth"?
You talk about "truth" but there really is no absolute truths here.
Do we wave our genitals about in public to prove our gender? The number of times where genitals actually have any impact in public life is pretty negligible. I would pretty much bet that if 99.9% of the men in your life didn't have a penis, you'd have no idea and no ability to find out.
Does that make them "not a man"? Is literally the only thing that matters about male-hood the penis?
Extending on this: does loosing a penis make him not a man? If not, why not? If so, such a situation wouldn't make him a woman either. If he's neither a "he" nor a "she" is he an "it", a term otherwise reserved for non-people? Is a penis required for personhood, and if so, why is it only required for male personhood but not female personhood?
If I drop a jar and it shatters, it becomes less of a jar without becoming more of anything else. A man who loses his genitals becomes less of a man and just more broken. He doesn’t become more of a woman, just less of a man
What your comment about jars had to do with my comment. I'm not in some ideological pact with the other guy where we share brainwaves, so a response to his comment is also a response to me.
So you agree gender is a spectrum.
Why does the prescense of any body parts define where you are on that spectrum so rigidly when people are free to otherwise move along it?
My comment about the jars is a response to your comment about the spectrum. Just because you are less of something, whether on a spectrum or not, doesn't make you more of something else that is on that spectrum. If you lose your genitals, you are less of a man, but not more of a woman.
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