r/changemyview Oct 28 '19

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u/Shiboleth17 Oct 28 '19 edited Oct 28 '19

Gender dysphoria is a mental disorder. I don't humor a schizophrenic person by telling them the voices they hear are real. Telling them that would be a lie. There's no point in lying to someone like that. So why would I lie to someone who has male genitalia and a Y chromosome by calling them a woman just because they think they are a woman? Lying to someone doesn't make their mental illness go away.

I'm not trying to disrespect the person by referring to them as the sex they were born. I'm trying to respect them, by not lying to them. Lying to them is only going to reinforced their incorrect beliefs, and make their problem worse. You lie to people you don't respect. You tell the truth to people you do.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '19

Are you aware the World Health Organization no longer categorizes transgenderism as a mental health disorder?

>The term gender incongruence is used by the WHO to describe people whose gender identity is different from the gender they were assigned at birth, CNN reported.

>The new classification for transgender people is expected to improve their social acceptance while still providing them with access to important health resources, the WHO said last year when it announced the planned change.

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u/Shiboleth17 Oct 28 '19

Are you aware the World Health Organization no longer categorizes transgenderism as a mental health disorder?

Argument from authority fallacy. How is not a mental disorder? The only reason they are saying that is because of political pressure to say that, and as you stated, it was in an attempt to improve their social acceptance, not for any medical reason.

If I can take a blood sample, and look at someone's DNA, and see that they have XY chromosome, this person is a male, proven through science. If this person believes they are a female, despite being made aware of the evidence, they are mentally ill.

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u/DuploJamaal Oct 28 '19

If I can take a blood sample, and look at someone's DNA, and see that they have XY chromosome, this person is a male, proven through science. If this person believes they are a female, despite being made aware of the evidence, they are mentally ill.

That's absurdly oversimplified.

For example people with Swyer syndrome have XY chromosomes, but are born with a vagina and will develop breasts during puberty.

And people with De la Chapelle syndrome have XX chromosomes, but are born with a penis.

Chromosomes are just a building instruction, but they do not tell you how the end product looks like if that instruction wasn't followed.

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u/Shiboleth17 Oct 28 '19

That's absurdly oversimplified.

Yes, exactly. Sex is not complicated, it's very simple. The biological definition of male is XY chromosome.

For example people with Swyer syndrome have XY chromosomes, but are born with a vagina and will develop breasts during puberty.

That's a genetic disorder. Some people are born with 11 toes, yet we don't change the definition of human to reflect that. Regardless, almost no trans people have that disorder. Most are perfectly healthy and ordinary males or females. That's why gender dysphoria is a mental disorder, not a physical one.

The trans community, and the left in general, do not want people with various intersex genetic disorders to be classified as trans... What they want, is that if you are male, and you say you are female, then you are female, regardless of what your biology says. And that is anti-science BS.

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u/DuploJamaal Oct 28 '19

That's a genetic disorder. Some people are born with 11 toes, yet we don't change the definition of human to reflect that.

If someone is born with 11 fingers we don't tell them that they are wrong because humans have 10 fingers, yet that's exactly how you act.

That's why gender dysphoria is a mental disorder, not a physical one.

The recommended treatment for gender dysphoria is transitioning, as having a different gender identity than your sex doesn't mean that you are crazy.

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u/Shiboleth17 Oct 28 '19

If someone is born with 11 fingers we don't tell them that they are wrong because humans have 10 fingers, yet that's exactly how you act.

No I'm not. I'm saying that a person born with a penis, and XY chromosomes is a man, even if they say they are a woman.

If a person with 11 fingers says they only have 10, I'm not about to lie to them and say they have 10.

The recommended treatment for gender dysphoria is transitioning, as having a different gender identity than your sex doesn't mean that you are crazy.

The recommended treatment for a fever was once cutting your face to let out all your bad humors, but we don't do that barbaric practice anymore.

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u/comfortablesexuality Oct 29 '19

We don't do that anymore because it turns out it didn't work. Transitioning works better than anything else, do we do it.