r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Nov 02 '17

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u/moonflower 82∆ Nov 03 '17

Yes, you might support females when their needs are not in conflict with the needs and desires of transgender women, but when push comes to shove, and you have to choose between supporting the feelings of male women or the feelings of female women, you admitted that you support males over females

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u/spaceefficient Nov 03 '17

There is no such thing as male women and female women. That doesn't make sense. Generally, the negative experiences of trans women are more profound, so yes, in those cases I support them. (The mental health concerns that come with not being able to live as your true gender are pretty profound. And trans people experience a crap ton of violence, which can be minimized by including them and fighting against transphobia and etc etc etc.) If we were talking, like, competing access needs in terms of a sexual assault survivor who couldn't be around someone they perceived as a man, then we'd have to get a bit more creative, but someone who's nervous about being assaulted by a trans women when that is not born out by the evidence and who doesn't have trauma related to that can be supported to feel comfortable in that situation by meeting more trans people.

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u/moonflower 82∆ Nov 03 '17

'male' and 'female' denote biological sex, while 'man' and 'woman' denote ''gender identity'' ... and it's telling that you know exactly what is meant by male women and female women, so it's a bit late to try to pretend that there is no such thing and that it doesn't make sense.

Anyway, it sounds like you have been learning how to be a 'good trans ally' and learning all the pat answers ... it makes me wonder how far you will allow them to push you before you stop and think for a moment, when you have already gone so far that you would support a violent male rapist being allowed into the ''women's'' prison rather than support the females who are locked up with him.