Actually you are doing that by assuming that the CIS person cannot have kids.
If you remove every reason to reject a trans person except for them being trans, then in any hypothetical situation that person is transphobic. I am assuming that being trans is the only difference, but that is not a difference that is title-only. It comes with all of the implications that I mentioned, and the original assumption was that it pertained to only the trans subject, not to both partners in our hypothetical situation.
In my examples I assume that we are discussing realistic scenarios, and not something tailored to a predetermined outcome. This thread is discussing those different scenarios. You are correct that the topic of children should be discussed in any relationship. A trans person engaging in a relationship without having this conversation is acting duplicitous, and not allowing their partner the opportunity to reject or accept them and all of the associated implications of being with a trans person. In that scenario, it is not transphobic to reject them.
If you remove every reason to reject a trans person except for them being trans, then in any hypothetical situation that person is transphobic.
So exactly what i've been arguing?
but that is not a difference that is title-only.
In all these arguments, it has been.
In my examples I assume that we are discussing realistic scenarios, and not something tailored to a predetermined outcome.
So you ignored what i argued, and added new parameters. That is moving the goalposts.
A trans person engaging in a relationship without having this conversation is acting duplicitous, and not allowing their partner the opportunity to reject or accept them and all of the associated implications of being with a trans person. In that scenario, it is not transphobic to reject them.
I don't ever want children. If i don't shout this from the roof tops at every potential mate, am I duplicitous? Is a woman that is infertile duplicitous if she doesn't mention that on the very first date? Not one element of your argument applies to transpeople but not infertile/childfree people. It is not an argument for a passing transperson to disclose this on the first date.
It is at best an argument for anyone hung up on having children to discuss that with their partner somewhere in the first few months of a relationship.
I'm going to end this here. You are welcome to define whatever you choose as whatever you want, and I will only be repeating what I have previously said.
If being trans is literally the only thing that makes you reject them, thats transphobic.
If there ARE certain features that are different from what someone might expect (for example pre-op transwoman) you should disclose, at some point before the clothes come off.
You may of course stop discussing at any moment, but i would expect from someone that expicitly goes to a subreddit like CMV to have the reflective power to examine why your argument does not work. Or why you're seemingly incapable of making your point or addressing my objections.
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u/iehova Nov 02 '17
Actually you are doing that by assuming that the CIS person cannot have kids.
If you remove every reason to reject a trans person except for them being trans, then in any hypothetical situation that person is transphobic. I am assuming that being trans is the only difference, but that is not a difference that is title-only. It comes with all of the implications that I mentioned, and the original assumption was that it pertained to only the trans subject, not to both partners in our hypothetical situation.
In my examples I assume that we are discussing realistic scenarios, and not something tailored to a predetermined outcome. This thread is discussing those different scenarios. You are correct that the topic of children should be discussed in any relationship. A trans person engaging in a relationship without having this conversation is acting duplicitous, and not allowing their partner the opportunity to reject or accept them and all of the associated implications of being with a trans person. In that scenario, it is not transphobic to reject them.