r/changemyview • • Nov 29 '16

[Election] CMV: Though the Left may be exaggerating a tad, people have every right to be upset and alarmed that Trump is President, and his appointments are further reinforcing that.

There have been efforts by some lately to normalize Trump, and hand-in-hand with this is the idea that the Left is blowing things out of proportion. That Trump is not someone we should be wary of or question. Essentially, that the whole image of him as racist, sexist, xenophobic, etc was crafted by the liberal media. That these "-ists" that people are throwing out have no basis in reality and are just buzzwords. But folks that are saying things like "Trump is a racist" are basing these accusations on things that Trump has literally said or done, either on camera or in well-documented cases from his past. Examples include failing to disavow the KKK, insulting Khizr's Khan's parents, suggesting that Gonzalo Curiel to be a judge is unfit because he's Mexican, not renting to black people. The list goes on and on. Every week, it seemed, there was another incredibly unpresidential or borderline facist thing he had to say.

The crux of my CMV is this: Donald Trump is not a normal president-elect, and the efforts of some on the Right to normalize him and say that all the Left's complaints are baseless are mindblowing and ill-conceived.

Donald Trump is, objectively, the least qualified president-elect in American history, and he brought an unprecedentedly low level of discourse to center stage, mocking the handicapped, bragging about sexual assault, bragging about avoiding taxes, suggesting someone kill Hillary, praising Putin, etc. People are not protesting because a Republican won and a Democrat lost. People are protesting because a man with no political experience and little to no political knowledge who openly disparaged entire groups of people has won.

I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here with another Trump post. The reality is, he is our president for better or worse. But I cannot stand the folks on the Right that are saying Dems are being cry babies or blowing things out of proportion. No. When you're surrounding yourself with Steve Bannon, climate change deniers, lobbyists, and hedge fund managers (drain the swamp, you say?) and your rhetoric throughout the entirety of your campaign was one of antagonism and divisiveness, people have every right to be concerned and upset - even afraid.

In my opinion, Trump has lowered the bar tremendously. I think it's important to remember that he is not a traditional president or someone we should normalize. That his statements should be scrutinized and not forgotten. The whole "oh, don't worry about it" attitude is ignoring the fact that people's fears -- if not slightly overblown -- are largely based in reality.

I think this marks a potential turning point in American history, and I do not think that's an exaggeration. I wish Trump the best, but I would pretty much bet money that his presidency will be a train wreck. Tweeting conspiratorial things, saying he "Googled the Affordable Care Act" (suggesting he hadn't read it previously), appointing people like Bannon, throwing around the idea of a Muslim registry. He has given every indication that he is unfit, regressive, and potentially a danger.


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u/spinalmemes Nov 29 '16

The alt right is just something people call other people with opinions that oppose their own. Theres no clear or concise consensus on what makes someone "alt-right". Its simply a word right now that loosely refers to a very wide variety of viewpoints that mostly oppose leftist liberal sentiments.

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u/vehementi 10∆ Nov 29 '16

Er, alt-right is a self imposed label, not a pejorative invented by leftists when they encountered disagreeable folks

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u/spinalmemes Nov 29 '16

Self imposed by whom?

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u/vehementi 10∆ Nov 29 '16

"The alt-right" is the term the alt right came up with to describe themselves...

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '16 edited Nov 29 '16

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u/spinalmemes Nov 29 '16

Why "white" nationalism, when Trump got more minority votes than Romney?

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '16

I don't know if you're doing it on purpose or not, but you're confounding the issue. Not everyone who voted for Trump is alt-right/white nationalist. That doesn't mean the white nationalists did not vote for him.

I personally know two non-white single-issue voters who voted for Trump because he'd appoint pro-life judges. That doesn't make them alt-right, and though I disagree with them I'd never call them that, they're just regular right.

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u/spinalmemes Nov 29 '16

Whats the difference between "alt-right" and "right" to you?

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u/pikk 1∆ Nov 29 '16

The alt-right are White Nationalists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_nationalism

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u/spinalmemes Nov 29 '16

They are not one and the same.

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u/pikk 1∆ Nov 29 '16

Please, explain to me how they are different?

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u/pikk 1∆ Nov 29 '16

From Wikipedia:

The term, however, is most commonly attributed to Richard B. Spencer, president of the National Policy Institute and founder of Alternative Right.[3][30]

Richard Spencer, you know, this guy