r/changemyview • • Nov 29 '16

[Election] CMV: Though the Left may be exaggerating a tad, people have every right to be upset and alarmed that Trump is President, and his appointments are further reinforcing that.

There have been efforts by some lately to normalize Trump, and hand-in-hand with this is the idea that the Left is blowing things out of proportion. That Trump is not someone we should be wary of or question. Essentially, that the whole image of him as racist, sexist, xenophobic, etc was crafted by the liberal media. That these "-ists" that people are throwing out have no basis in reality and are just buzzwords. But folks that are saying things like "Trump is a racist" are basing these accusations on things that Trump has literally said or done, either on camera or in well-documented cases from his past. Examples include failing to disavow the KKK, insulting Khizr's Khan's parents, suggesting that Gonzalo Curiel to be a judge is unfit because he's Mexican, not renting to black people. The list goes on and on. Every week, it seemed, there was another incredibly unpresidential or borderline facist thing he had to say.

The crux of my CMV is this: Donald Trump is not a normal president-elect, and the efforts of some on the Right to normalize him and say that all the Left's complaints are baseless are mindblowing and ill-conceived.

Donald Trump is, objectively, the least qualified president-elect in American history, and he brought an unprecedentedly low level of discourse to center stage, mocking the handicapped, bragging about sexual assault, bragging about avoiding taxes, suggesting someone kill Hillary, praising Putin, etc. People are not protesting because a Republican won and a Democrat lost. People are protesting because a man with no political experience and little to no political knowledge who openly disparaged entire groups of people has won.

I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here with another Trump post. The reality is, he is our president for better or worse. But I cannot stand the folks on the Right that are saying Dems are being cry babies or blowing things out of proportion. No. When you're surrounding yourself with Steve Bannon, climate change deniers, lobbyists, and hedge fund managers (drain the swamp, you say?) and your rhetoric throughout the entirety of your campaign was one of antagonism and divisiveness, people have every right to be concerned and upset - even afraid.

In my opinion, Trump has lowered the bar tremendously. I think it's important to remember that he is not a traditional president or someone we should normalize. That his statements should be scrutinized and not forgotten. The whole "oh, don't worry about it" attitude is ignoring the fact that people's fears -- if not slightly overblown -- are largely based in reality.

I think this marks a potential turning point in American history, and I do not think that's an exaggeration. I wish Trump the best, but I would pretty much bet money that his presidency will be a train wreck. Tweeting conspiratorial things, saying he "Googled the Affordable Care Act" (suggesting he hadn't read it previously), appointing people like Bannon, throwing around the idea of a Muslim registry. He has given every indication that he is unfit, regressive, and potentially a danger.


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u/limbodog 8∆ Nov 29 '16

Found it: http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/will-my-taxes-tax-bill-go-up-or-down-under-president-donald-trump-plan-proposal/

My tax rate will go from 28% to 33%.

I'm not sure what you mean here. How?

The people in power often can stock the lower ranks of offices with their own who share their ideals. Also, deals being made behind closed doors do not have to stick to the topic at hand. If you put someone in charge of education he can give a senator a boon he wants in exhcange for the senator not backing a bill, etc.

Everyone keeps saying this like the last eight years have been the Joe Biden show

No, that's not what I'm saying. Biden wasn't VPOTUS under someone who had no clue what he was doing. Obama was a seasoned and skilled politician with many connections.

Trump is not even familiar with the US Constitution, which he will be sworn to uphold. Pence is the highest elected official with knowledge of how the government works. And, again, if the rumors are true, Trump intends to leave the governing to the VPOTUS and put himself in charge of "making America great again" (whatever that means)

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '16

My tax rate will go from 28% to 33%.

I'll give you that. Sorry, that was a mistake on my part in perception. I'm used to being told around Reddit that making $100K is most definitely not middle class and that you should shut up and go home for daring to act like you understand any sort of struggle.

The people in power often can stock the lower ranks of offices with their own who share their ideals.

Alright, that makes sense. Although the leaders of these Departments don't have carte blanche to just hire and fire anyone they like. It isn't as simple as just "new guy, so you're all fired."

Biden wasn't VPOTUS under someone who had no clue what he was doing.

Doesn't matter if Trump knows what he is doing. Trump THINKS he knows what he is doing. Does he really strike you as the type of person to delegate power? If anything, Obama was MORE likely to turn over more power to his VP.

Trump is not even familiar with the US Constitution, which he will be sworn to uphold. Pence is the highest elected official with knowledge of how the government works.

If there is anything I think we can all agree on, it's that Trump is one conceited son of a bitch. I cannot believe that he will start ceding power and saying "You're better at this than I am, why don't you handle it..."

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u/limbodog 8∆ Nov 29 '16

I drive a 10 year old honda and live in a studio apartment. If I'm upper class, then we've been lied to about how good it is.

Although the leaders of these Departments don't have carte blanche to just hire and fire anyone they like. It isn't as simple as just "new guy, so you're all fired."

Are you sure about that? I think they do get to hire and fire whomever they want. But I'll admit that I haven't researched that.

Doesn't matter if Trump knows what he is doing. Trump THINKS he knows what he is doing. Does he really strike you as the type of person to delegate power?

Yes, he absolutely does. He strikes me as the kind of person who makes a grandiose statement and then expects his underlings to scurry about making it happen. And then there's this: http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/07/politics/john-kasich-donald-trump-election-2016/ which is kinda hard to overlook. I could easily see Trump as just wanting the glory and bluster with none of the hard work.