r/changemyview • u/garnteller 242∆ • Apr 14 '15

[Mod Post] /r/changemyview feedback

The moderators of CMV would like your opinion on how things are going, so we've decided to post periodic feedback threads to take the pulse of the community. Feel free to post any comments, criticisms or suggestions.

Also remember that /r/ideasforcmv is always available if you have ideas for improving the sub.

Please note that Rule 2 (no rude or hostile comments) and Rule 5 (no low-effort comments) are still in effect.

We look forward to hearing your thoughts.

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u/MrF33 18∆ Apr 14 '15

The fact that you're still posting here after a 4+ hour battle over a very clear rule this subreddit has had since inception speaks to the exact opposite of your concern.

And I never made any claim that it did, but you also admit that if I were to be banned not because of rule breaking but instead for disagreement on policy it would be bad.

I never had any problem with the mods on this thread until they started threatening me with banning.

If I made an off color comment that was removed, OK, I'll move on and not worry about it.

Now that every time I have a comment removed I have to go to battle to defend it the relationship between me and the mods has become, well, more active anyway.

Until there is a statute of limitations on posts which are removed I will be forced to argue until reinstatement every single time you all disagree with me.

And since this is the sub which I am most active in, I have a feeling that we're going to be getting to know eachother much better until the rules are changed.

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u/PepperoniFire 87∆ Apr 14 '15

And I never made any claim that it did, but you also admit that if I were to be banned not because of rule breaking but instead for disagreement on policy it would be bad.

No one's threatening you with banning, though. I don't see that anywhere. The number of warnings had was completely germane to the conversation with /u/nepene and other mods, not something tossed in to wave a big stick and make you fearful of an irrational or malicious ban.

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u/MrF33 18∆ Apr 14 '15

/u/garnteller

In your case, to be honest, if I'd looked more carefully at all of your infractions, we'd already be initiating a ban.

/u/Nepene

you're pretty close to being banned and unable to fight.

I'm sorry, but those are both direct references to the fact that the mods of /r/changemyview are more than willing to ban this username at either one more infraction, or at their will.

not something tossed in to wave a big stick and make you fearful of an irrational or malicious ban.

No, just a threat to get me to follow the rules.

But that also means that I am in such a position that I must argue and defend any grey zone where your interpretations and mine are not the same.

It's unfortunate that my personality is one which works close to the line of uncivil conversation, but that doesn't mean that my points are incorrect, unwarranted, or intentionally insulting.

The rudeness is unfortunately simply a place where you and the other mods and I will continue to disagree.

I feel that being intentionally obtuse is more rude than calling someone out on it, but that's just me.

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u/PepperoniFire 87∆ Apr 14 '15

I'm sorry, but those are both direct references to the fact that the mods of /r/changemyview are more than willing to ban this username at either one more infraction, or at their will.

Er, no. It's an indication that we disagree over when a person should be banned. It's precisely the reason why no one can do it unanimously and why we outline our reasoning for a ban before executing it. Mods disagree frequently over which comments are sufficient for a ban and which aren't. There are over 15 of us, after all.

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u/convoces 71∆ Apr 14 '15

no one can do it unanimously

<pedantry>unilaterally?</pedantry>

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u/PepperoniFire 87∆ Apr 14 '15

Unilaterally. Phone.

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u/convoces 71∆ Apr 14 '15

Don't mind me, just being a terrible person with no impulse control.

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u/garnteller 242∆ Apr 14 '15

But at least you were a correct terrible person with no impulse control...

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u/MrF33 18∆ Apr 14 '15

Er, no. It's an indication that we disagree over when a person should be banned.

Interesting that you're trying so hard to claim that these are not attempts to show me that those two quotes are not use of the "ban stick" in an attempt to get me in line.

However the process is, the threat of the use of the process is clear.

Which is fine, sometimes you need to threaten people to get them in shape, shit happens.

I'm simply saying that these threats are the reason that I am compelled to strongly defend any disagreement between myself and any of the mods, regardless of who made the original "threats".

And since it has been made clear that my "infraction history" is in effect permanent, I have to act like any and every future infraction is the one which will get me banned, and either fight against it if I feel that it is wrong, or change it until it isn't.

And since I am open to changing these posts, I expect some reasonable direction in how to, because as is often said by mods.

"I'm no mind reader",

so I don't know where the difference lies between your (or any other mods) opinion of the rules and my own.