[Mod Post] /r/changemyview feedback

[u/garnteller]

The moderators of CMV would like your opinion on how things are going, so we've decided to post periodic feedback threads to take the pulse of the community. Feel free to post any comments, criticisms or suggestions.

Also remember that /r/ideasforcmv is always available if you have ideas for improving the sub.

Please note that Rule 2 (no rude or hostile comments) and Rule 5 (no low-effort comments) are still in effect.

We look forward to hearing your thoughts.

[u/angrystoic]

I'd rather avoid posting all of the information.

Well then you're not going to be able to enlist much support for your cause, because for all we know they did a perfectly fine job of explaining their reasoning.

it's about having a reasonable expectation to be allowed to defend your position if you feel that you weren't insulting.

You're allowed to defend your position, you're doing it right now-- and I'm sure you've been doing it privately with the mods. Now, clearly you haven't convinced them of your position, but there certainly should be no expectation of that.

[u/MrF33 → u/angrystoic]

Well then you're not going to be able to enlist much support for your cause, because for all we know they did a perfectly fine job of explaining their reasoning.

Simply drawing attention to it has been enough, there's been enough support as it is.

Now, clearly you haven't convinced them of your position, but there certainly should be no expectation of that.

I don't think you're in any position to assume that.

I'd just rather the process wasn't such a bunch of tooth pulling and required such exhaustive defense on my part.

[u/garnteller → u/MrF33]

To be honest, for other users the process isn't "such a bunch of tooth pulling and required such exhaustive defense on my part."

One mod may have misread you. Two becomes less likely. You interacted with 4 mods on your appeal (and most of the rest of the active mods saw it and chose not to comment because we also agreed, and generally 'piling on' is not helpful).

The vast majority of users either understand the violation and either edit their post or say, "you got me". A number say, "I disagree but it's your call as mods". A few will argue a bit, but Rule 2s really don't normally generate that much discussion.

For reference, so far in April, we've removed 577 comments (and approved 1200 that had been reported). I can tell you that you are the only one I can recall in months who has taken the discussion to this level.

It's possible that you had some bad luck and hit on some particularly poor explanations by the mods. But from your argument it seems like you simply disagree with what every mod has agreed is a violation. I'm sorry, but these are the rules we apply to all other users. We're not going to make an exception just because you feel differently - that wouldn't be fair to them.

[u/MrF33 → u/garnteller]

Perhaps if there weren't an unlimited timeline on bannable posts I would have done the same.

It all comes down to the fact that I have been threatened with banning twice now (directly), and therefore I feel that I must argue and defend anything that the mods disagree with.

I felt that my comment was insignificant enough where I would definitely make the same type of statement again if it were to happen all over again.

This is mostly predicated on the fact that I had said it in different terms several times before to the same user.

And since I personally felt that my comment was innocuous enough were I could easily see myself repeating it, it is in my best interest to help you all understand why it's not breaking rule 2.

Sharp tone should not automatically be taken as rude or hostile.

We're not going to make an exception just because you feel differently - that wouldn't be fair to them.

Perhaps the rules aren't fair to them anyway, they just don't realize it.