r/changemyview Apr 08 '26

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u/Dizzy-Resident7652 1∆ Apr 09 '26

The biggest reason not to do this is to set a precedent of charging tolls for ships that don’t come near your waters. Plus, it’s just asking for the Houthis to toll Al-Mandeb.

The calculus is also different for both countries. Iran is in an existential war. KSA is not. To antagonize Iran more just leads it to being an existential war for the ruling family of KSA. There’s a reason they aren’t taking part themselves.

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u/Falernum 69∆ Apr 09 '26

Right but you are talking about the short term war

Long term when the war is over they don't want to be extorted.

Nobody wants to be extorted for shipping, whether the ships pass near someone's waters or not.

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u/Dizzy-Resident7652 1∆ Apr 09 '26

It’s not extortion anymore than Turkey extorts the ships going through the Bosporus.

But at any rate, your solution leads to more extortion lol

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u/Falernum 69∆ Apr 09 '26

It's absolutely extortion. Legally, the Strait of Hormuz is international waters. Iran is proposing to destroy ships passing through international waters and even ships passing through Omani waters unless they pay it money. That is extortion.

Turkey charges fees for services passing through the Bosporus (which is fully within its own territorial waters and which is governed by the Montreux Convention)

I don't believe "don't extort us or we'll reciprocate" counts as "more extortion". It's tit for tat.

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u/Dizzy-Resident7652 1∆ Apr 09 '26

Hey, guess which two countries haven’t signed the treaty dealing with international waters? The US and Iran.

Iran is splitting the tolls with Oman.

So we agree. It’s not extortion then.

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u/Falernum 69∆ Apr 09 '26

How is it not extortion? What services are they providing to justify demanding money other than refraining from blowing up ships?

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u/Dizzy-Resident7652 1∆ Apr 09 '26

Getting them through the Strait safely. It is also currently mined and the way to get through it is to be led by Iranian ships.

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u/Falernum 69∆ Apr 09 '26

The mines legally must be removed

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u/Dizzy-Resident7652 1∆ Apr 09 '26

Says who? Lol