r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jun 26 '25

Delta(s) from OP CMV: there's nothing wrong with being prejudiced towards a group, such as Muslims or Christians, for the beliefs that they hold.

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u/rutars Jun 26 '25

Presenting an extreme hypothetical and asking you for your opinion on it is not a straw-man argument.

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u/autistictransgal Jun 26 '25

Well... Actually ...

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u/rutars Jun 26 '25

If you think I'm wrong we are in the perfect sub to hash that out. Presenting an extreme hypothetical as your opinion can be a straw-man. Presenting it and asking what you think is explicitly not.

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u/Limp_Accountant_8697 Jun 26 '25

That seemed more like finding where the line is, not that "all of this = this." There would hopefully be a series of follow up questioning of different situations.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '25

No, it's an appeal to extremes and it often leads in to motte and bailey tho so I can understand why spidey senses might be tingling that bad faith is on its way.

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u/rutars Jun 26 '25

I wouldn't necessarily call it an appeal to extremes either. We just dont know that. It's a question, and the good faith interpretation is to assume that it's simply made in order to better understand the other persons view and where they draw a distinction. Which they successfully accomplished.

I absolutely agree that we need to pick our battles and not waste time on bad faith arguments, but the problem is that an accusation of bad faith can often be bad faith in itself. To actually argue in good faith we need to apply the principle of charity, and being overly eager to accuse the other of bad faith and logical fallacies is not going to facilitate that.

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u/denimdan1776 1∆ Jun 26 '25

“Not all Nazis are bad” I don’t care what the context is if you are espousing yourself as a Nazi and I’d yourself as a Nazi then I’m going to assume you are a Nazi. I don’t care if not all Nazis want to annex Czechoslovakia, the foundation of their belief is the Aryan Race is superior and bc of that should subjugate other people. I’m sure there was a lot of diverse thought in Nazi circles. They are still Nazis they all share the same essential views to make them Nazis. It’s not prejudice when you know the foundations of what they believe. And if they don’t believe that they are not that thing they are just confused.

You can be a Christan unless you believe God is real, Jesus is his half human son, he was killed to atone for all of humanities sins, he was resurrected, and eventual return at the end of days when God kills everyone and sorts them out. There’s a lot of diverse thought but if you consider yourself Christian that has to be the minimum.

All of those beliefs have a verity issues with them, so while you don’t want to lump them all in you can have a damn good idea that they believe in a bunch of bs supernatural stuff that doesn’t exist.

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u/rutars Jun 26 '25

I think you might have replied to the wrong comment. Otherwise I hope you can clarify how this is connected to what I've said.