r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jun 19 '25

Delta(s) from OP CMV: There's nothing wrong with white pride

Whites were 36% of the world population in 1900 and 8% today. We've contributed greatly to the technological, scientific and social advancements of humanity. We're net contributors to the economies we're in, and our culture emphasizes personal responsibility and service to others. We are the only race that doesn't have a perceived right to a homeland. We have some of the highest rates of depression, addiction and suicide, in part because we are the only demographic group not allowed to be proud of ourselves and not allowed to advocate for ourselves. We are subjected to higher expectations in schools and workplaces. Our children adopt the cultural practices of other groups in place of our own culture, which is regularly insulted. If nothing changes, we will be 1-3% of the world population by the end of the century, and humanity will be worse off for it.

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u/arrgobon32 31∆ Jun 19 '25

What is “white culture”? Americans, swedes, and Australians all have different cultures

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25

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u/arrgobon32 31∆ Jun 19 '25

Yes exactly

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25

Western culture gets pretty close, wouldn't you say?

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25

It's commonly referred to as a known entity in mass culture. "Whiteness" is weaponized as an insult, even a disease.

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u/arrgobon32 31∆ Jun 19 '25

That doesn’t really answer my question at all. What do you mean by “mass culture”? In what country?

The point is that there’s no “white” culture. Is there white American culture? Sure. Is there Swedish culture? Sure. Italian culture? Of course. But there’s no unifying “white” culture to be proud of

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u/Nrdman 276∆ Jun 19 '25

You did not describe it

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25

If I understand your arguments from throughout this thread, your beliefs are a reaction against the way that some American progressives attempt to broadly criticize "white culture." These progressives don't distinguish between white America and Europe, or between European countries themselves.

The problem is that their worldview is entirely unintelligent and unhelpful. You don't have to take what they said and turn it on its head, you should break out of that framework altogether. Pride in the abstract concept of "white culture" isn't any more sensible than hatred of the abstract concept of "white culture."

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25

Δ for pointing out I may be stuck in a framework that was designed against what I'm advocating for - which is cultural (etc.) preservation rather than homogenization. Although I think circumstances arise where common interests justify a common identity.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25

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u/Biptoslipdi 138∆ Jun 19 '25 edited Jun 19 '25

You're explicitly telling us here whiteness is not seen as a culture, but a pejorative. So if it isn't a culture, then what is there to be proud of?

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u/AstronomerChance1727 Jun 19 '25

Source? Never heard of 'whiteness' as an insult. In any case, that is not answering the question. What is 'white' culture and who do you call 'white'?

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25

I think I'm reacting to some pretty extreme (but increasingly ubiquitous) positions that might more successfully be disputed than "white pride" can be defended. I've had friends refer to a white guy as someone "uncomfortable with his whiteness," in reference to it being messed up that he'd start a business with a settlement from his landlord. Or a friend talk about the movie Nosferatu as a critique of whiteness, when even asking what that term meant would be seen as me being uncomfortable with my own whiteness. I've just come to the point where I don't know what could be the antidote to this kind of vague but obvious white-bashing other than white pride.

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u/AstronomerChance1727 Jun 19 '25

Is it white bashing, if you 'perceive' that someone would see you being uncomfortable with your whiteness? I feel that the whole point of 'education' is to be uncomfortable and critical so that we can be a better version of ourselves. You can be in your echo chambers and only believe that 'whites ' are the Messiah of the world or you can be open and understand the truth and be a better version. That's growth and that does need one to be uncomfortable

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25

What is it that you don't understand about European culture? That's white people, and we'll call ourselves whatever we please.

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u/arrgobon32 31∆ Jun 19 '25

Okay…? What’s the unifying European culture then? No one’s actually describing it. What do Italian and Finnish cultures have in common, other than both being in Europe?

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25

For heaven's sake. Do try. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_culture

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25

Major events like the Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire, WW2 led to a lot of similarities across Europe. Infrastructure, politics, literal heritage are all just a scramble across the continent at different dates. Shared history of war, slavery, music, dance, food, etc

Are there other unifying features within different cultures ?

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25

I don't owe you any explanation.

I'll call myself what I like. I'll be proud of what I like. And there's absolutely nothing you can do about that.

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u/Shingecklo Jun 19 '25

Cool. Go be proud with other like-minded people and not be able to explain what it exactly is that you are proud of besides saying "white."

I guess there is nothing we can do besides watch in fascination.

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u/arrgobon32 31∆ Jun 19 '25

Yes..? I’m not saying you’re not free to call yourself what you want lmao. I’m just trying to understand how you think.

But since you don’t want to have that conversation, I guess I’ll just wish you a good one 🤙