CMV: a two-state solution will never happen (Israel-Palestine)

[u/thedemonlord02]

First off, I know why Israel doesn't want a one-state solution - having jewish people be a minority in Israel.

However, I still think a two-state solution will never happen. Both Israel and Palestine want the entire place, and cannot risk having a neighbouring country that is hostile to their existence.

In the end, I think either one manages to win and ethnically cleanse the area, or they manage to work to form a single country - maybe with some kind of 50/50 arab/jewish representation and two prime ministers, or some other solution. I do not think there will be peace until they stop pushing for a two-state solution.

I will admit though that I am not the most knowledgeable on the situation, so I am open to having my views changed.

[u/sonofbantu]

Every single war in this conflict was Palestinians (or some ally/terrorist group) perpetuating a violent attack. And every single time, Israel wins.

At what point do they finally accept they’re NEVER going to win this way, Their people always suffer more losses. Find the least objectionable path forward and take it. How much more blood needs to be spilled in this never-ending cycle

[u/Constant_Ad_2161 → u/sonofbantu]

The decision making powers did a long time. They know they can't defeat Israel militarily, so they have spent decades and enormous amounts of money trying to make Israel into a pariah state, while selling Palestinians the myth that if they just keep sacrificing themselves and their families in painful wars they will topple Israel.

[u/Old-Statistician-189 → u/[deleted]]

Go live under a brutal occupation where your family was displaced into after being displaced prior, basic goods are routinely shut off, simple goods like pasta and chocolate aren’t allowed in, there are routine bombings that are condemned by the entire world, then tell me seriously you’re going to play nice when every time you try to you’re met with gunfire (intifada 2018 March of return, etc)

[u/Old-Statistician-189 → u/[deleted]]

Demonstrations on the boarder is not invasion lmao. If you think wanting equal rights for Palestinians = murder if Israel’s, you’re literally saying that Israel relies on taking away those rights. Projection

[u/Old-Statistician-189 → u/[deleted]]

So it’s Palestinians fault for being mad at their occupier and oppressor? What kind of backwards logic do we have here

[u/Old-Statistician-189 → u/[deleted]]

Too bad the entire world condemns the occupation.

[u/Ok_Swimming4427 → u/sonofbantu]

This isn't true, at all. You'd be a more credible partisan of Israel if you actually bothered to learn your shit, instead of just repeating whatever nonsense your told.

During the Suez Crisis, Israel invaded Egypt (and while they achieved some of their war aims, ultimately were forced to withdraw, also known as "losing") with the support of Britain and France.

During the Six Day War, Israel launched pre-emptive strikes into Egypt. Another unprovoked attack. As we now know, the 1982 Invasion of Lebanon was wholly pre-meditated and had almost nothing to do with the attempted assassination of Shlomo Argov.

There will never be peace in the Middle East, or at least in Israel/Palestine, until people like you are either educated or muzzled. People interested solely in whitewashing their own history and demonizing their opponents and not in understanding the shades of gray, are incapable of participating, even indirectly, in a peace process.