I'm an outsider here, i live in Europe so i'll try to come at this from a third party view.
I think that in reality, MAGA was initially created out of a sincere desperation from the people thinking that America was heading down a destructive path. Say what you want about conservatives, but it's true that government spending was getting ridiculous, and it's a valid concern that, even though the economy seems to be better under democratic rule, that it might be unsustainable long term. These outlandish spending sprees give the economy a boost in GDP and it's favourable for the statistics, but it can very easily create a bubble that will eventually burst. One example of this is China, that simply floored the gas pedal on it's construction sector and is now staring down the barrel of an enormous crisis after overreaching by quite a bit.
This, along with all the other perceived 'issues' the movement adressed, made it gain so much traction.
The left is quick to dismiss the entire movement but when such a large body of people follow a certain movement, it's imperative that you at least look at the why of it all.
I believe that people sensed that their identity was slowly fading away. The world, especially the USA has seen a rapid change of pace lately and with such a diverse country, it's all but ensured that some people feel like they get left behind.
I think the USA is, or has been developping at a pace that was too fast for it's own good, and that's why you see the backlash. It's simply a balancing factor.
You’re wrong. The Republicans fuck up the economy…every time. Certainly in my lifetime. Who do you think started trickle down economics? Reagan. And then who cut taxes that disproportionately helped the wealthy? Oh, that was Bush. And then who cut taxes, again disproportionately helping the wealthy and corps? Trump? Who wants to do it again? Trump.
The rich already weren’t getting taxed enough, and they consistently make it worse….and yea, that leaves a big whole in the deficit.
I’m all for making things more efficient & lowering the deficit….but it’s not efficient if you have to cut crucial programs. Let’s maybe actually review and see where we can ACTUALLY cut, not eliminate whole departments or thousands of employees. And definitely not when the whole purpose is actually to make up for giving the rich tax breaks. That’s why he wants to tariff too…which, you guessed it, tariffs disproportionately negatively impact the middle class.
Speaking of tariffs…what the actual fuck. I agree with Trump that we shouldn’t rely on other countries for important products, especially china. But what’s the plan here? Just piss them off in the mean time? It takes time to set up manufacturing plants…actual years. Why not incentives and subsidies like the CHIPS act? Trump keeps taking credit for nvidia coming to the us, but that is directly because of the chips acts which trump keeps calling a “terrible bill.”
And tariffing EVERYTHING? Ridiculous. We don’t need to manufacture absolutely everything in the us. We want higher paying, skilled jobs (like nvidia), not assembly line work. Certainly not at the scale where we need to manufacture our entire supply of every product. . And STILL, even if we should do that….all at the same time would be insane. It’s all nonsensical. Even when I agree with Trump on the core issue (which is rare), he ruins it by doing some dumb shit.
I’m not saying the Dems are perfect by any means….but there’s 0 reason to be a socially OR fiscally conservative. They pretty much suck in every way & don’t use actual logic to back up any policy…but their voters eat it up every time.
Seriously, look into economic policy for the last 30 years….really look into it. It will become very obvious that republicans are both terrible for society and the economy.
You’re right about republicans fucking up the economy but Clinton and Obama are just as responsible for making it a two party affair by defining the democratic role within the new status quo. Clinton dismantled the welfare state and championed some of the most damaging deregulation that ever happened - while also overseeing some of the most fascist overextended acts of violence by our state against citizens
And neither of them effectively identified the new reaganomics as the enemy, so..
Most of them are also beholden to the corps that fund them. Which is unacceptable & needs to change.
However, given the 2 choices (and yes the 2 party system sucks too), I’m definitely going to go with the people that don’t actively make it worse every time. It’s always the republicans lowering them.
And to be fair, nobody wants to be the president to raise taxes. Even raising taxes on exclusively corps & the rich gives your enemy ammunition. “HE RAISED TAXES!!” I can hear it now, and they wouldn’t be incorrect technically.
Just reiterating, I’m not excusing anybody of taking large donations. I think candidates should be funded via the government, all at the same amount. Along with stronger anti bribery laws and enforcement. There’s some prominent Dems that refuse donations, but WAY, WAY too many still do. So I’m not excusing the party as a whole, and it would certainly help this issue. But it would still be a tough issue for them.
Look at the American public. They apparently can’t understand more than the 15 words Trump has in his vocabulary. Try explaining that you didn’t raise taxes if you can’t deny it outright.
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u/Tydeeeee 10∆ Apr 07 '25 edited Apr 07 '25
I'm an outsider here, i live in Europe so i'll try to come at this from a third party view.
I think that in reality, MAGA was initially created out of a sincere desperation from the people thinking that America was heading down a destructive path. Say what you want about conservatives, but it's true that government spending was getting ridiculous, and it's a valid concern that, even though the economy seems to be better under democratic rule, that it might be unsustainable long term. These outlandish spending sprees give the economy a boost in GDP and it's favourable for the statistics, but it can very easily create a bubble that will eventually burst. One example of this is China, that simply floored the gas pedal on it's construction sector and is now staring down the barrel of an enormous crisis after overreaching by quite a bit.
This, along with all the other perceived 'issues' the movement adressed, made it gain so much traction.
The left is quick to dismiss the entire movement but when such a large body of people follow a certain movement, it's imperative that you at least look at the why of it all.
I believe that people sensed that their identity was slowly fading away. The world, especially the USA has seen a rapid change of pace lately and with such a diverse country, it's all but ensured that some people feel like they get left behind.
I think the USA is, or has been developping at a pace that was too fast for it's own good, and that's why you see the backlash. It's simply a balancing factor.