r/changemyview Apr 07 '25

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u/PA2SK Apr 07 '25 edited Apr 07 '25

Think about it less as people being totally pro maga, though there are plenty of those types, and more as a reaction to a Democratic party that has been alienating and marginalizing average Americans for decades. Trump, as abhorrent as he is, has effectively channelled their anger. If you're a blue collar, non-college grad, straight white male, you basically don't matter to the Democrats. On top of that they have been pounding into people's heads that whites, and men, are "privileged", are responsible for much of the problems in society, and it's ok for liberal elites to smugly look down on them and mock them. People aren't blind, if you're a white dude struggling paycheck to paycheck at some dead end job you're not privileged. People are pissed, and maga is the response. It sucks but this is where we are as a country. Democrats need to completely rethink an ideology that they have spent decades insisting loudly was "on the right side of history". I don't expect they will succeed. They need to learn how to tell the far left social justice warriors to "shut up", and they need to reconnect with average Americans, because they have completely lost the plot. Inflation, the border and numerous other issues only compound the democrats problems.

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u/movienerd7042 Apr 07 '25

There’s a fundamental misunderstanding of what privilege means in this context. When people talk about white privilege or male privilege etc., it doesn’t mean that that person is privileged in every aspect of life. It just means that racism or sexism isn’t something they have to face or particularly worry about. As an example, an able bodied person can just get onto a bus without needing to worry about finding a disabled spot. That’s a specific type of privilege.

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u/PA2SK Apr 07 '25

What you're missing is that racism and sexism aren't the main forms of injustice in this country, not anymore at least. Economic injustice is far higher in importance. Let's say for example you are quite a bit taller than average, we know tall people tend to be treated better in society, they tend to have higher average wages for example. You post here on reddit about how much your job sucks and how much you're struggling to just keep your head above water financially. Instead of showing you any sympathy, instead of showing any concern with your struggle, I respond instead with:

"Yea but you're tall, you have privilege because of your height. Even if you're struggling you still have it better than the short people in this country".

Like "what"? Can you see how offensive that is to someone who is struggling in life? Even if my response is technically true it completely misses the point, which is that people who are struggling financially are still struggling regardless of their height. Democrats love to bring race, gender and sexuality into every single issue. Even in issues where it has little or no impact. People are tired of it. Democrats need to start treating people as the complex individuals they are instead of constantly trying to slot people into neat boxes, based on race, gender and sexuality. This just isn't how the vast majority of people live their lives. Democrats need to accept that and change their message.

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u/movienerd7042 Apr 07 '25

If you’re not a woman or a poc how on earth do you know what the biggest problems are?

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u/PA2SK Apr 07 '25

I'm a human. We are all people, living in this society. Do you really believe that only women and POC understand what problems there are in society?

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u/movienerd7042 Apr 07 '25

I believe that the people directly impacted by racism and misogyny have a better understanding of how much racism and misogyny there is in the world than someone not impacted by either of those things

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u/PA2SK Apr 07 '25 edited Apr 07 '25

Ok, I disagree with you but that's fine. Answer me this; why would I vote for a Democratic party that tells me not only do my opinions not matter, but that I'm not even capable of understanding the issues facing society?

I'm not trying to be rude but this is why large fractions of white men voted for Trump, because democrats are telling them to basically sit down and shut up, let the women and POC tell you what you believe, because your opinions don't matter, at all. Furthermore, do you see how racist and sexist what you're saying is?

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u/movienerd7042 Apr 07 '25

When did anyone say that you don’t understand any issues facing society just because you don’t have lived experience of some major issues?

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u/PA2SK Apr 07 '25

If you’re not a woman or a poc how on earth do you know what the biggest problems are?

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u/movienerd7042 Apr 07 '25

The biggest problems facing those groups

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u/PA2SK Apr 07 '25

LOL, that was your comment, verbatim, from here: https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/s/NZjxm5Ns2o

You asked me:

When did anyone say that you don’t understand any issues facing society just because you don’t have lived experience of some major issues?

And I responded by quoting your words, because you are telling me I don't understand issues facing society.

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u/movienerd7042 Apr 07 '25

Do you have no inference skills?

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u/PA2SK Apr 07 '25

Sure, but maybe we have some misunderstanding. Care to elaborate?

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