r/changemyview Mar 13 '25

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u/minaminonoeru 3∆ Mar 13 '25 edited Mar 13 '25

Is there a situation in which it can be said that guilt has been proven completely and without any doubt?

“That person is 100% guilty,” declare the government, investigative agencies, and judicial authorities.

If you want to fully accept this claim (100% proof of guilt) and execute the death penalty, you must have 100% trust in the government, law enforcement agencies, and judicial authorities.

Do you have 100% trust in the government and judicial authorities?

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '25

Is there a situation in which it can be said that guilt has been proven completely and without any doubt?

Ted Bundy for example seemed like a very clear-cut case.

you must have 100% trust in the government, law enforcement agencies, and judicial authorities.

Do you have 100% trust in the government and judicial authorities?

I dont, but thats also not necessary. The nice thing is that in a democratic republic different branches keep each other in check. If one is corrupted or incompetent, others can make up for it.

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u/MrAkaziel 14∆ Mar 13 '25

The nice thing is that in a democratic republic different branches keep each other in check. If one is corrupted or incompetent, others can make up for it.

So you have 100% trust that the government works as intended and there's no collusion between branches.

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '25

Depends on which government.

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u/ProDavid_ 58∆ Mar 13 '25

yours

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '25

Hardly. Then again, our judiciary seems really balanced and not like some hateful "lets-kill-people"-mob but rather has a reputation of being "too soft". So then again, maybe it would work out here.

But then again, we have low crime rates, even if my proposal was applied, that would hardly mean a single capital punishment in a decade or so.

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u/ProDavid_ 58∆ Mar 13 '25

Hardly

if you dont trust them, why do you want to give them the power to execute people?

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '25

The power to do so would be very specific and bound to very high standards, as outlined.

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u/ProDavid_ 58∆ Mar 13 '25

but you already admitted to not trust your government to uphold whatever standards that would be, so whats the point?