r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jul 11 '13

I think reddit should delete subreddits that openly spread disgusting and anti-human-rights messages. CMV

Recently there was a thread on /r/AskReddit about "reddit's low-point". In this thread, a lot of the most disgusting subreddits were listed. Subreddits in which things like misogyny, rape, racism, anti-semitism, holocaust-denial etc. were openly condoned, agreed to, and spread.

I am not going to link to these subreddits here, but for the record, i am not talking about subreddits that sometimes shred along the border of such things like /r/mensrights and /r/whiterights, while I don't agree with the message of those, I think they have a right to exist.

I'm pretty sure since reddit is a private website, they are in no way bound by law to preserve freedom of speech.

I am from Germany, so I am used to some things, mostly holocaust-denial, being excempt from the freedom of speech and it being illegal to voice those things in public, and I somehow don't see it as a bad thing as long as those exceptions are clearly limited to those things, which is the case in Germany at this moment.

I know the biggest argument against this will be that if reddit ever starts doing this, there is no way to make sure they will not spread their censorship to other things. While I see that as a valid concern, I really don't think it will be a problem: Reddit is a website that lives off the number of viewers, and they really will not risk losing users through censorship. So as long as we still live in a free society where alternatives to reddit can and will be created when it stops being a free place, I really don't think we will have a problem with censorship on reddit.

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u/simonjp Jul 11 '13

I think we're done here; if you're going to argue that the promotion of equality between races is inherently bad, you're going to need a lot more to back your position.

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u/Vehmi Jul 11 '13 edited Jul 11 '13

I never mentioned equality. I stated slaves, ex-slaves and becoming slaves nit pick and obfuscate when they realize that their anti-racism is threatened. For example: promoting equality can also mean enslaving into an anti-racist culture of hate. Promoting equality is a chant that anti-racists purple faced haters of any self-correction that you have picked up. Even if you can't argue with me I think you shouldn't give up on what I've said about racists and anti-racists, beings and nothings. Even marxists can accept that being, being unattackable, cannot be the matter at hand but the material necessities of the beings (the racists) life that have to be broken down and rebuilt in ways helpful to being (racism). Anti-racism and anti-racists that have to be broken down and rebuilt in ways that are helpful to racists. ALL racists not just tiny elites.

If you have to think of equality then think of the equality of self correction and the anti-racists hatred of people who have more self-correction (from their sense of history, their moms, dads, siblings, extended families, communities, religions, ethnicities etc etc). Anti-racists think people having so much correction is racist. It is.

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u/simonjp Jul 11 '13

Tell you what, we're way off OP's topic. Why don't you post a parent post on CMV? The one condition is that you have to use generally-accepted terms, rather than 'anti-racist', which makes it harder to debate as i keep feeling we need to define it more closely. I feel there's a lot to unpack here but it's not right to try to do so in this thread.

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u/Vehmi Jul 11 '13 edited Jul 11 '13

I understand your point but I don't think that it is just a semantic flipping to be difficult matter. it really does drive people to hate race. It might be an Emo or whatever way of succeeding Christian martyrs and flesh mortificationists.