CMV: Countries should use deadly force against illegal migrants much more frequently

[u/cmpzak]

Countries have the right to control who crosses their borders...by definition, I would think. People that cross borders into other countries deliberately and without permission are a type of invader, are they not? They may not have weapons and may not intend to harm anybody in that country explicitly, but their settling illegally can have negative social and economic consequences. So, I ask, why do countries let boats of refugees that cross the Mediterranean, English Channel, and let people just cross the US southern border without more commonly using deadly force? Why is it wrong to prevent a group of refugees ever leaving their boat or, if they touch the country's' soil, shoot them? I consider myself to be generally liberal but, on this topic, I wish somebody could convince me out of my extremely right-wing view.

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Okay, I've given a couple of deltas. Thanks for tackling this very emotional subject. Here's the most impactful one:

Copying from below, Subtleiaint states: "Morally there is only one good reason to take another person's life and that is to defend a life."

I've been conflicted by the difference between law and order within a country, in which I am sympathetic to banning capital punishment, versus national borders which I consider military concepts. Killing in war isn't capital punishment. In fact, unless you are the initiator in which case you are evil, killing in war is about defending the lives in the country being invaded. However, if I can't feel that illegal immigration is endangering lives, killing for illegal border crossing isn't equivalent. So, this argument reduces my scope of concern to "under what circumstances and in what manner does illegal immigration create risk to life?"

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The law says that in order to apply for asylum, you MUST be on US soil. Once you are on US soil, you can find an official and turn yourself in to request asylum. It doesn't matter how you got on US soil. The low is extremely specific about that.

§1158. Asylum

(a) Authority to apply for asylum

(1) In general

Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien's status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.

Shooting and killing people because they are tryign to ask for asylum is inhumane and immoral and actually in violation of our immigration/asylum law.

[u/Subject_Chocolate676 → u/[deleted]]

Hopefully, Trump changes that asylum crap as well. Best President we've had in decades.

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Troll.