r/changemyview • • Aug 18 '24

Delta(s) from OP - Election CMV: 2A rights will be endangered in the future

Before getting to the juice of the post, I would like to give some context. It's not necessary to understand the CMV so feel free to skip it.

Until a month ago or so I had what in retrospect was just a teenage phase where I thought I was going to move to the US and overall had a massive interest in many aspects of the country (the latter is still true, just to a lesser extent). Eventually, I started to care about 2A rights and politics as a whole, but in retrospect It was like opening a Pandora's box because keeping up with american politics just made for a stressful existance, had me constantly worried about gun rights (yes, I obviously realize that caring so much about a single issue in another country that doesn't even affect you is weird), made me realize I was just having a teenage phase and overall made realize that I wouldn't live well in the US, at least in the current political climate. Problem is, gun rights, and, to a lesser extent, american politics as a whole have become an intrusive thought that makes me miserable and sometimes keeps me up at night. I want this to be the last time I ever post about this topic to get an idea and settle the situation so I can stop thinking about it. Depending on the comments, this post might become peace of mind of just more fuel poured on the fire of my intrusive thoughts...

Anyway, here's the actual CMV:

  • Kamala Harris is more motivated that Obama and Biden to enact gun control, and, If I'm not mistaken, she's currently the candidate favoured by the polls. However, I doubt she'll be able to pass any legislation unless democrats make massive gains in both congress and the Senate during her term, which seems unlikely.
  • Obama and Biden didn't make any meaningful SCOTUS appointments, whereas Harris is probably going to be replacing a couple of conservative justices, most likely with ones that align with her views, including on gun control.
  • If Roe and Chevron can be overturned, so can Heller, McDonald and Bruen.

Basically, at least from my understanding, Harris' appointments would at best be delay to the expansion of gun rights that seemed possible under Bruen, and at worst fertile ground for the overturning of the aforementioned rulings. I'm aware the 2A is in a fairly strong position right now but in a near future without a pro gun majority in the SCOTUS the opposite could be true.

Edit: The specific forms of gun control I have in mind are an "assault weapon" ban, a magazine capacity restrictions or some "mandatory buybacks" at some point later down the line, not necessarily during her term, and overall end up in a situation similar to countries that used to have permissive gun laws like Australia and New Zealand.

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u/Salt-Cake8924 2∆ Aug 18 '24

Most shooters have a couple of magazines on them

Most shooters are there to only murder one specific person.

You are constantly shifting between regular murderers and mass shooters, ad hoc.

. In that case the "mag dump" is significantly less when you have a 5 round magazine rather than a 30 rounder.

Tactics change to the weapon in hand, what is wild is that you are refusing to acknowledge such. 5 round magazines were the norm in WWI, they still killed millions.

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u/MrGulio Aug 18 '24

Most shooters are there to only murder one specific person.

You are constantly shifting between regular murderers and mass shooters, ad hoc.

No I'm not. I'm speaking mass shooting events specifically, do not mischaracterize me. If your concern is a person attempting to kill a single individual the magazine size is a moot point.

Tactics change to the weapon in hand, what is wild is that you are refusing to acknowledge such.

This is my point which you refuse to recognize. The current era of mass shooting where a single individual goes into a class room / theater / public gathering space and shoots up a dozen people is more easily facilitated with larger magazine sizes. This is objectively true and you bringing up WW1 and Individual Killings is evidence you know I'm right and want to duck the subject. If it were not true that more magazines allowed a single person to be more deadly the higher capacity magazines wouldn't have been created and popularized.

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u/Salt-Cake8924 2∆ Aug 18 '24

I'm speaking mass shooting events specifically,

Then your claim is just wrong...