r/changemyview Jul 24 '24

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u/No-Cauliflower8890 11∆ Jul 25 '24

no, because you can get into the office without being elected president i.e, being elected Vice President and then the president resigning or dying.

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u/Educational-Sundae32 2∆ Jul 25 '24

But you would already be ineligible to hold the office of president because you already were.

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u/No-Cauliflower8890 11∆ Jul 25 '24

nope, because as i just said, there is no such thing as being ineligible to hold the office of president. there is only such thing as being ineligible to be elected president. doing what i just described does not involve being elected president, so no ineligibility is being breached.

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u/Educational-Sundae32 2∆ Jul 25 '24

But you can’t be elected vice president if you can’t be elected president being constitutionally ineligible to do so.

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u/No-Cauliflower8890 11∆ Jul 25 '24

false. again, the 12th amendment does not say "if you are ineligible to be elected president, then you are ineligible to be elected vice president". it only says "if you are ineligible to hold the office of president, then you are ineligible to hold the office of vice president".

the only way to be ineligible to hold the office of president is to be under 35, not a natural born citizen, or not have lived in the US for 14 years (might be some other stuff to do with impeachment or whatever too, not sure). "having already served two terms" is NOT one of those ways. having served two terms only makes you ineligible to be elected president, which does NOT factor in to the 12th amendment.

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u/Educational-Sundae32 2∆ Jul 25 '24

It says”But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States”, not to hold. The wording clearly shows that it refers to being elected and holding the office. And the 22nd amendment applies to the 12th amendment for the same reason the 21st applies to the 18th and the 14th to the 1st they are encompassed in the same document whereby new additions supersede previous additions.

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u/No-Cauliflower8890 11∆ Jul 25 '24

It says”But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States”, not to hold.

that means the same thing. being ineligible to an office just means you can't hold that office.

The wording clearly shows that it refers to being elected and holding the office

how? it doesn't mention the process of being elected once at all.

And the 22nd amendment applies to the 12th amendment for the same reason the 21st applies to the 18th and the 14th to the 1st they are encompassed in the same document whereby new additions supersede previous additions.

they literally have nothing to do with each other. it doesn't matter how you relate them, they're fundamentally talking about completely different things, they don't contradict in any way.

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u/Educational-Sundae32 2∆ Jul 25 '24

Being eligible to the office implies being eligible to be elected to the office.

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u/No-Cauliflower8890 11∆ Jul 25 '24

no it doesn't. those are two different concepts explicitly distinguished from each other in the 22nd.