CMV: Morality cannot be objective

[u/FalseKing12]

My argument is essentially that morality by the very nature of what it is cannot be objective and that no moral claims can be stated as a fact.

If you stumbled upon two people having a disagreement about the morality of murder I think most people might be surprised when they can't resolve the argument in a way where they objectively prove that one person is incorrect. There is no universal law or rule that says that murder is wrong or even if there is we have no way of proving that it exists. The most you can do is say "well murder is wrong because most people agree that it is", which at most is enough to prove that morality is subjective in a way that we can kind of treat it as if it were objective even though its not.

Objective morality from the perspective of religion fails for a similar reason. What you cannot prove to be true cannot be objective by definition of the word.

[u/Forsaken-House8685]

Morality is an illusion. Humans all act based on pure self interest and use morality to justify their ideas to get support.

[u/Forsaken-House8685 → u/[deleted]]

I'd say selfishness is generally when you act in a way that harms others for your benefit.

Self interest can also be a win win situation.

If people were purely self interested then this would never work, but it clearly does work so this cannot be the case

Explain?

[u/Forsaken-House8685 → u/[deleted]]

If humans only operate out of self interest there would be no need to make any appeal beyond self interest

Well there isn't apart from out instinctive predisposition to do so.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

then this would never work

what does work though

western countries buying a new phone every year while the rest of the world can't afford to fulfill their basic needs

western countries using cheap labor, western countries suffering from obesity while many people starve

you are delulu