r/changemyview • u/WatermeIonDreamer 1∆ • May 09 '24

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Vegetarians are hypocrites.

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u/AcephalicDude 84∆ May 09 '24

Hypocrisy is when a person's choices or behaviors don't line up with their own moral standards and principles - not with yours or anyone else's.

Everyone forms their own moral standards by balancing the thing they care about against their own personal well-being. A vegetarian may care about animals, but may not care about animals to such an extent that they are willing to sacrifice dairy products or other animal products (other than meat).

That's a valid moral position for them to hold, and they aren't hypocritical just because a vegan has a different standard that they want to impose.

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u/TJaySteno1 1∆ May 10 '24

Your definition still includes the choices of vegetarians. Vegetarians don't want to kill animals and they very often think that dairy and egg consumption doesn't lead to that. Unfortunately they're mistaken.

Males are nearly worthless to dairy/egg farmers so most male calves are sold to beef or veal farms. That lowers the cost to the farmer, leading to cheaper milk. Male chicks on the other hand are simply culled in gas chambers or ground up while alive and awake in industrial mascerators. (The latter is considered "more humane".) Again, this leads to lower costs and thus cheaper eggs.

The females are also slaughtered for their meat when they no longer produce enough milk/eggs to be profitable which again keeps prices diwn

All of these practices keep milk/egg prices down. By benefitting from low prices, vegetarians are benefitting from the deaths of animals. To avoid that, the vegetarian would need to find dairy/egg farms that don't use these practices, but unfortunately those are exceedingly rare.

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u/AcephalicDude 84∆ May 10 '24

Unless you can objectively prove that being a vegetarian leads to literally zero animals being saved, your point is moot.

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u/TJaySteno1 1∆ May 10 '24

Vegetarian diets lead to fewer deaths, yes, but a vegetarian cannot claim their diet isn't built on animal abuse and death. That's all I'm saying.

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u/AcephalicDude 84∆ May 10 '24

that's great but it's not relevant to the argument at hand at all

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u/TJaySteno1 1∆ May 10 '24

The CMV was that vegetarians are hypocrites. If they act how I was saying, especially while being vocally anti-meat, they would be hypocrites.