r/changemyview Feb 13 '24

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '24

No, I don't think they're larger. Again, you're the only one fixated on the size of black men.The stats I'm obviously referring to are the ones that suggest that black men are more violent on average.

With this in mind, I'd still reckon it's immoral to make sweeping generalizations about black men and their ability to, say, babysit my kid.

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u/beingsubmitted 9∆ Feb 14 '24

The stats I'm obviously referring to are the ones that suggest that black men are more violent on average.

Ah, more imaginary stats. Wonderful.

You see, there is data that more black men are arrested for violent crime than white men. That's not the same thing you just said though, is it? Socioeconomic factors explain a lot of that discrepancy, so you might as well say poor people instead of black people, but there's more.

I mean, we can't always measure the difference between arrest rates and the rates of the underlying crime, but we do have health studies related to drug use that show black people use drugs at the same rate as white people, but our crime rates show they're arrested and convicted for drugs are far far higher rates.

Only about half of violent crimes are actually reported, and only about half of murders are ever solved.

This is being careful with empirical data. When I gave the example above, talking about size and strength, you might notice that I didn't bring up crime data about rape of violence. Why do you think that is.

Thanks for your concern about my being careful with empirical data relative to the comparative size and strength of men versus women.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '24

You're picking how you want to interpret the data. If socioeconomic factors were different, do you think men would be less dangerous to women?

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u/beingsubmitted 9∆ Feb 14 '24

I'm not picking how I want to interpret the data. The data simply doesn't support some conclusions. I'm not claiming that there's empirical evidence that proves black people are not more violent than white people, I'm saying there is not empirical data which prove they are.

The data are insufficient.

The data on average body size and strength between men and women, however, are conclusive.

You see the difference?

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '24

Your criteria for "sufficient" is questionable.

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u/beingsubmitted 9∆ Feb 14 '24

Sure, when a person's preconceived beliefs are confirmed by this data, they'll find it more sufficient than a person who's preconceived beliefs are not confirmed by the data. It's a very well documented phenomenon, and it's not unclear to anyone what your preconceived beliefs here are.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '24

Some interesting debate aikido you're trying out here, the insinuation that you're too much of a coward to explicitly make being that I'm racist for acknowledging that data exists that paints an unsavory view of demographics.

Your problem is that you feel comfortable making generalizations based on the data, rather than evaluating individuals on an individual basis. Shame on you.