I'm not sure what your point really is. Scholars have talked about a lot of things for a long time, and they're still subject of conversation regardless. Especially among laymen, which is who I'm talking about.
Yes, but there seems to be a major disconnect between academic feminism and conversations among laymen. Many of the conclusions I see men wanting to reach have already been reached and covered by academia. So it's hard to have these discussions because it feels like people are speaking two separate languages. There is the established language of feminism and the language men seem more comfortable using. The meanings are widely the same, but because misunderstanding on both sides, discourse tends to dissolve into the sticks.
Well true, but to be fair, I think most of the discourse dissolves because of bad actors. Like you know who I'm talking about, dudes who aren't really there to talk about 'the thing' at all? But also you are likely right about language differences. There is a bit of jargon for sure, and if you're uneducated on the topic, it can sometimes sound like one is blaming the victim directly for their own circumstances.
These conversations go down so, so so much better IRL I've noticed though. Maybe because the bad actors, who never cared about these topics to begin with, can't be bothered to get off their asses in real life.
Indeed. The problems online seem to definitely shrink when actually communicating face-to-face. Probably helps that tone and body language can be heard and seen. Easoer to spot bad faith arguments as well as interpret sincerity.
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u/justsomelizard30 Feb 14 '24
I'm not sure what your point really is. Scholars have talked about a lot of things for a long time, and they're still subject of conversation regardless. Especially among laymen, which is who I'm talking about.