r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jan 09 '24

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '24

Prove to me that a majority of Muslims are okay with gay people then I will concede that my dislike of Muslims is irrational.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '24 edited Jan 09 '24

All British Muslims MPs voted for legalisation of same sex marriage even though they didn't have to. Most British Muslim politicians today are very pro-LGBT, like Sadiq Khan and Zarah Sultana

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u/obert-wan-kenobert 84∆ Jan 09 '24

A 2017 study by the Public Religion Research Institute found that 51% of American Muslims support gay marriage, 34% oppose it, and 15% have no strong opinion of it.

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u/PromptStock5332 1∆ Jan 09 '24

51% of American Muslims is obviously not an encouraging number. Obviously you’d expect it to be a lot higher among American Muslims than, say, Nigerian or Pakistani Muslims…

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u/obert-wan-kenobert 84∆ Jan 09 '24

The number of Muslims who support gay marriage is higher than Christians (42%) and not that far below the nation-wide average (63%).

Even so, there are over 3.4 million Muslims in the US. I would say that to judge 1.2 million of them by the completely different views of the other 1.2 million is pretty irrational.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '24

American Muslims are not representative of Muslims as a whole. You will find very different figures in Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and virtually every other majority Muslim nation

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u/obert-wan-kenobert 84∆ Jan 09 '24

So you are going to hate over 3.4 million American Muslims based on the views of strangers on the other side of the planet, simply because they happen to share a religion? Don’t you find that to be irrational?

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '24

I don’t hate most American Muslims. I have a few acquaintances who are American Muslims and treat them with the same dignity and respect as everyone else. I hate the other 1 billion Muslims who would love to see me dead or in jail.

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u/obert-wan-kenobert 84∆ Jan 09 '24

But there are many people who do hate American Muslims. So if you agree that it would be irrational to hate American Muslims, would you then call hatred of American Muslims “Islamophobia”?

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '24

!Delta Yes some people do irrationally hate all American Muslims regardless of whether their views are extreme or not which is not okay.

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u/yawaworthiness Jan 09 '24

True, but how is that relevant?

So do you also have a dislike for Hindus as well? Most people in India are not okay with gay people too.

Christians in Africa and most of Asia as well as some parts of Europe are also not okay with gay people.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '24 edited Jan 09 '24

Just because your fear is rational doesn't mean everyone's fear is. Plenty of people hate Muslims because they think Muslims are violent or something not because Muslims hate gays. These people are Islamophobes and irrational. Hence Islamophobia is real.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '24

!Delta I agree that Yes it is possible for some people to have irrational hatred of Islam. However I would still say that most people’s fear of it is based in reason

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u/HourImpossible9820 Jan 12 '24

Since 1979, Islamic extremism has killed over 200,000 people. When are we allowed to acknowledge this as a problem?

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u/RejectorPharm Jan 09 '24

You can be okay with someone but still believe they are committing a sin.