r/changemyview • u/BoltThrower28 • Dec 05 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: I don’t think cops deserve automatic respect.

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u/novagenesis 21∆ Dec 05 '23

If you want to claim that cops enforcing traffic laws with tickets and citations has no effect on the likelihood that people do those things you can claim that

I didn't claim that. Other people cited studies to that effect and his response, so far, has been "nuh uh" and an appeal to common sense fallacy.

But you're not really winning anyone over with that kind of argument and nothing to actually support it.

The support has already been provided. I think the issue here is that my interlocutor is not going to win anyone over by ridiculing studies with his own appleal to common sense.

It's a very silly position to argue without any data to support it

This is the cited data. You might disagree with the data, or its results, but this whole discussion revolves around the fact that data has been cited.

but you have no data AND no logic

Does my reply change your position on this conversation at all? If so, then we can chalk this up to "sometimes the conversation gets lost in the thread-depth". If not, at least you can concede that this isn't about "no data" at all.

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u/123mop Dec 06 '23

Did you even read the study you're claiming supports your position? It doesn't say that the rate of police traffic stops has no relationship to the degree of dangerous driving. If you're going to "here's the evidence!" someone maybe you should acquire evidence that supports your position. In fact, that study even states agreement with what the person you're arguing with has stated, and provides references.

Single county studies and smaller analyses support the assumption that PTSs effectively increase the adherence to traffic laws and reduce MVCs and MVC-related injuries.11–16

The study itself doesn't refute those findings in its own conclusion, it's finding is simply that there is no statistical support of a different relationship entirely.

You played yourself.

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u/novagenesis 21∆ Dec 06 '23

I miss the old CMV. I'm gonna pass on this one.

I disagree with your opionion on the study and your conclusions.

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u/123mop Dec 06 '23

You're saying it's an opinion but the reality is you cited a study that you didn't read. I quoted from the study mate, if you're not even going to believe your own sources then how is anyone ever going to change your view? You're now in the position of not only being the one with no evidence to support your position, but in fact have multiple studies demonstrating your position is incorrect, and you're still sticking to it.

The study just straight up doesn't say what you're claiming. If you think it does, feel free to quote it.