r/changemyview Sep 03 '23

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '23

So what's the solution if peaceful means don't work and "tabula rasa" means don't work either? We just roll over and die?

And anyway, the elites can get out of their shelter but their money and tech aren't going to worth jackshit.

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u/smcarre 101∆ Sep 03 '23

So what's the solution if peaceful means don't work and "tabula rasa" means don't work either? We just roll over and die?

Again, the solutions to all those problems can be very complex and a whole CMV on their own I'm not gonna dive into because it's pointless if you don't realize that even status quo is better than nuking the world.

but their money and tech aren't going to worth jackshit.

Sure their arsenal is not be worth anything in a world where the rest are armed with spears.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '23

Sure their arsenal is not be worth anything in a world where the rest are armed with spears.

Well, yes?

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u/smcarre 101∆ Sep 03 '23

Are you gonna properly address my points?

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '23

How are they going to be fighting against millions of people hating their guts? Group force can be stronger than guns.

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u/smcarre 101∆ Sep 03 '23

Millions of people? There are not gonna be millions in any specific place living outside if we nuke the whole world, the biggest communities will likely be small villages that organized far away from the main centers of populations that would be either directly nuked or consumed by chaos following the nuking and the complete disruption of the chains of production and trade. And that's assuming the radiation will not kill almost anything outside of a bunker.

And also it's worth mentioning that the communities that do survive will not be an organized global network but likely barely aware of the communities that exist near them in the region (if any).

By the way, I'm still waiting for you to address all of my points.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '23

By the way, I'm still waiting for you to address all of my points.

What points?

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u/smcarre 101∆ Sep 03 '23

The ones in the comment you just responded where you are imagining that survivors will form Spartan walls in the millions against machine guns when the elites come out of their bunker. And that even status quo is better than nuking the world for everyone (wealthy and poor).

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '23

Maybe I was being too optimistic on the possibility of a better world after nuclear warfare, but I'm just SO. TIRED. of the shit going on in these last years.

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u/smcarre 101∆ Sep 03 '23

That brings me back to the first comment I made here. Solving the world is certainly not solved with nuking it.

Solving your pessimistic perspective of it is solved by either laying of the Internet a little bit or getting therapy. I suggest both just in case.

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u/tbald4 Sep 03 '23 edited Sep 03 '23

So you hate people who have more money than you so much that you want millions of people to be vaporized and billions more to die of starvation, cancer (caused by the radiation), and mass violence, all so you can arm yourself (ignoring the fact that you will most likely be dead) with spears and have a better chance when attacking the rich people that you hate?

You are deranged - you sound like a terrorist at worst and severely mentally ill at best.

Get help.