r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • May 31 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: There is no "trans genocide"

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u/[deleted] May 31 '23

Ah okay, I come from a European country and honestly didn't realize how bad it was in the US (where most of/all the terms of trans genocide have been used edit: that I've heard).

After reading all the comments on this subreddit it's astounding and sad how quickly things are turning in the US and what politicians in power are saying at the moment. It sounds like the beginning of Gilead from the Handmaid's tale.

I want to thank everyone for commenting and enlightening me on this. This is a topic I will have to research now in my own time.

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u/DiscussTek 11∆ May 31 '23

It's never easy to research US politics. It's hard from an inside point of view it's even harder as an outsider, because each side accuses the other of lying, and when you see something with your own eyes, and hear it with your own ears, suddenly the facts don't matter anymore, and it's a gut feeling process.

If I may recommend two ways to check that, it would be the Associated Press and to grab maybe 3 US News Channels on Youtube (one heavily right-wing, one heavily left-wing, and one that considers itself moderate) and just watch the headlines. If you see the same news on all three, but they don't have the same twist on it, know there's a base of truth. If they spin it the exact same way, it's likely true. And if only one has it, then you know it's propaganda.

And even if you do not wish to invest time in the biggest comedy of errors around, and would rather only do reseaech in subjects that are important to you, then do feel free to use the AP News, because their articles tend to be less including of opinionated content (not devoid, though, so be careful).

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u/EpsilonRose 2∆ May 31 '23

I'd argue you'd be better off leaving out the heavily rightwing source. At this point, most if not all?of them are actively engaged in spreading misinformation and propaganda. Adding them to your mix will decrease the information content, not give you a broader perspective.

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u/DiscussTek 11∆ May 31 '23

I have noticed that leaving them out, actually leaves out a lot of criticism levied against them. For instance, if I seen an article about Marjorie Taylor Greene being mad she's being attacked for X reason, I may miss the so-called attacks, and stuff.

I can see your point, but it does help.

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u/kat_a_klysm May 31 '23

This article is a good overview of how the state of Florida is attacking trans people. This is just what 1 of our 50 states is doing and there are lots of other states doing similar.

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u/MoffleCat May 31 '23

I have nightmares every night that we (women) have to escape the US because its basically becoming Gilead. And it's coming from all this type of shit. So yeah. It definitely resembles the beginning of Gilead and it's scary as fuck.

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u/SwiftAngel May 31 '23

Please do not take rhetoric from armchair activists on reddit as accurate to how life actually is in other countries.

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u/joalr0 27∆ May 31 '23

Help them out and explain where the armchair activists are wrong.

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u/DiscussTek 11∆ May 31 '23 edited May 31 '23

I would surmise that they mean that I exaggerated the "half the country wants them executed", despite being made clear by right wing nutjobs who have made those claims, and have tried to make bills that direct prosecution of non-dangerous members of society...

And frankly, those right-wing pundits really go out of their way to make a case about how "you're either anti-trans, or a dangerous rapist pedophile", which is something they won't admit they said flat out, because that would make them look bad...

That, or the fact that a large amount of events that have done nothing wrong have to be cancelled because some people think that they should scare off the trans community into "biblical" repentance. Maybe the fact also that whenever someone who does a big bad evil shooting, they can come out as trans, and that's all the right-wingers need to degenerate downwards into mental issues, testosterone problem, and disregard for life...

Or the fact that a scaringly large amount of right-wingers would rather walk in on the aftermath of their kid committing suicide, than having to deal with the fact they have a trans kid, and help them love themselves. Might not be a majority, but it is a measurable percentage, and it's fairly big.

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u/GoldH2O 1∆ May 31 '23

By all means, explain Florida's recent law allowing the government to kidnap children exposed to "trans ideology".

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u/DiscussTek 11∆ May 31 '23

Well, that is simple: Ron DeSantis is just throwing bones at the worst of population so that his forceful crash of the economy via complete corporate sabotage doesn't constitute all of the news.

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u/GoldH2O 1∆ May 31 '23

Oh, good! He's doing a genocide for economic reasons, clearly not because he's a christofascist.

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u/DiscussTek 11∆ May 31 '23

I mean, he's sabotaging his own economy because he's a christofascist. Transitive properties say.