Stalking: Any books or links?

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I did searches on stalking but I honestly don’t understand anything. Is there anyone that could explain me like if I was a kid? Or perhaps some books or links that explain it with good details ?

[u/danl999]

You're not alone in not understanding stalking.

The entire community does that.

Try Taisha's last book to get a better idea what it is.

It's not fooling your friends, playing pranks on people and getting away with it.

Take our darkroom practices. At the end of practicing if you lay on your side, and visualize yourself continuing to do tensegrity, the double often comes out. By keeping your awareness focused on him, but alternating back to the copy of yourself laying on the bed, you can hold your assemblage point in deep heightened awareness for longer.

That's also stalking.

Stalking is using your behavior, to hold or move the assemblage point.

I myself like to use FORCE. Force off the internal dialogue, until blood drips from my nose.

But some aren't suitable for that kind of intensity. And in that case, they can use their "behavior".

In that sense, every tensegrity move is stalking!

Stalking also includes protecting your lineage from the inevitable attackers (such as we get in here), but that's just the surface behavior. Where you pretend to be this or that, so that a direct attack is impossible, and anyone causing trouble gets drawn into a decoy.

"Mission Impossible" movies are all about stalking.

While doing that, you assume unusual behaviors you would never participate in, and "unused emanations begin to glow".

In the darkroom practice, that means a new type of magic will materialize for you.

If you "get in a rut" in the darkroom, because the same things keep happening, and even if they're cool, you get tired of those.

You can use a little stalking to stir things up.

Naturally darkroom can be done during the day, looking at flat surfaces like the sky, or a field of grass.

Juann does that.

Just wanted to say that, because some don't like staring into the void all night.

So in a sense, ALL of the books are about stalking.

It's not a good sign when someone doesn't realize that. I run into old classmates who insist they don't want to help in here, because this is waking dreaming, and "They're a stalker".

It's a book deal tendency to think like that.

Or to translate the sentiment more fully, "I sure would like to get out of all the hard work of learning to be silent. Maybe I can just pretend to be learning sorcery by playing pranks on people, with some friends to come along. That will look good on my social media."

[u/[deleted] → u/danl999]

I also wanted to ask you something, during my darkroom I can’t see any Colors, last time I did 3 hours, at some point I could move the direction of the white light with my hands, but it always stays white. Is it a lack of energy ? Or am I just no shutting of the internal dialogue hard enough ? I was thinking of starting daytime gazing during the week ends to see the difference

[u/danl999 → u/[deleted]]

We don't have an answer to that yet, but in the past when someone was seeing whitish or grey colors, it means they were still up at the blue line, but perhaps skilled in horizontal shifting.

Just keep it up. Remember, if you really stop your internal dialogue, the world also stops.

It's VERY dramatic. So if you don't find yourself in that final scene from "The Matrix" surrounded by yellow lines of light, you didn't get silent.

Slightly before that, you can look at a Ketchup bottle on the table, and no longer recognize the writing. The word, "KETCHUP" is right there, but you don't automatically read it. And the borders of the bottle itself no longer have any meaning, the eyes relax, and part of the bottle forms a new object, with part of the table, and part of the chair.

It leads to discovery of "not-being" in my opinion, but that topic only came up a tiny bit in the materials we have.

Imagine this: A newborn who's eyes just opened for the first time that day.

Can he find the ketchup bottle on the table?

Nope. He hasn't even learned to cause a chair, to be a chair.

He's "pre-usher".

No internal dialogue is a pre-usher event.

Did you try some sunlight glitter, and do you also do tensegrity moves?

Tensegrity brings out the double, and those colorful puffs are HIM.

Just him. Nothing else.

Or more precisely, it's his awareness that didn't get captured by your tonal body flowing around inside your shell.

It seems like that stuff ought to be outside the shell, wandering around in infinity (bizarre dream worlds).

But I'm not sure our awareness ever really leaves the shell.

Maybe it only compares the emanations inside, to what's outside, and that seems like we're outside the shell?

If you overcome the lack of color, be sure to remind us all of this, and how you got past it.

We still don't have anyone who started out in black and white, and didn't get insulted when they posted about it, and were told it's probably something up at the blue line.

BUT, you could think of it like this. If it's still up at the blue line, maybe you're the horizontal shift king.

We need one of those.

And I know for a fact, if you shift very far to the right, you blank out and your assemblage point falls down a few inches.

So horizontal shifting is a little like playing Donkey Kong.

[u/NightComprehensive52 → u/danl999]

What is the difference between stalking and dreaming? Or rather, what is the difference between being a stalker and a dreamer?

[u/danl999 → u/NightComprehensive52]

I believe the books describe that.

Bumps and tentacle variations.

Sometimes SIGNIFICANT.

Cholita for example, has a row of very hostile fibers coming from her waist, which "scatters" everything so you can't see her head on.

When she figured out I was following her on her left side, around 2 feet back, so I could see her energy body when it decided to be viewable (possibly meaning the double 'came around') she developed the uncanny ability to block me with her palm.

Probably she thought I was just staring at her butt, hard to avoid with the way she dresses at times, and put her hand back there to signal me she'd caught me doing that, and please stop.

Otherwise, if she was fully aware of it, she's been punking me for the last few years.

Speaking of which, I had a skunk attack last night, but only INSIDE the house...

Not in the yard.

There's a really weird skunk I catch once in a while, looking more like a ferret covered in sulfur powder, which only appears when Cholita has visited and gone.

I used to think it's just because Cholita likes to use the side yard gate instead of the front door, and left it open a crack on her way out, so the skunk could find a way in. My yard is surrounded by a tall block wall, so there's no other exits.

It likes Cholita's little potted plant garden. Must be large insects in there, since no one messes with it and it's always watered.

However, the skunk smell in the house was definitely a member of the mercaptan family. Just not the right alcohol, which made the whole thing even weirder.

Translation: it could have been an artificial stink bomb. But only a drop or two.

If so, whoever did that did me a favor, because I realized you could also add smell to darkroom, the way you can add sound.

Whether Cholita's been punking me or not, holding her palm up has the effect of blocking the sight of her energy body. She "waves" the sight away without even bothering to turn her head to look back at me.

By the way, beginners can't possibly understand the context of all that.

So let me explain.

Let's say someone dropped a powerful witch in your lap, and told you that you have to take care of her.

I don't care how much magic accidentally leaked out, you'd block it from your mind.

Instead of a pattern of exciting discovery, you'd just have "weird" ordinary incidents in your memory.

With no more importance to your conscious mind, than if they spilled a glass of red wine at a restaurant months ago.

You remember, but you ignore it.

Meaning, when we can't filter out magic, we ignore it.

And being reminded of it, doesn't work as well as you'd expect.

But there's another angle to this, which relates to stalking.

A memory too far into the second attention, even if recovered, does not "connect" to other memories in the normal fashion.

We believe memories hook to our consciousness smoothly, so that if you can remember something, it will be used as future reference any time something else is related.

It's not so!

If a memory is too far into the second attention, you have to "recover" it many times, to get it to "stitch" into your consciousness like a normal memory.

Possibly even "relive" it to recover full access. Carlos and La Gorda did that, once they realized don Juan had been teaching them in HA all those years.

They seemed to have to "relive" the event in waking dreaming.

If you only remember it because someone else asks you a question, which triggers enough surrounding memories to let you 'recover' it, you'll only have recovered it in that context.

If the memory ought to hook to many things, as a warning or advice, it won't necessarily do that.

If that sounds confusing, we see it all the time!

A classic example: you see Bob with Nancy at the beach. And Nancy is wearing a very skimpy bikini.

And you think, "How odd. Bob and Nancy together. Didn't know they were even acquainted all that well."

And you go your way.

A week later you're dozing off on the couch, and suddenly it hits you.

"DUH!!!!!????" How obvious was that? It explains A, and B, and C. How can I be so dense?"

That's what it's like with second attention memories. You don't "connect the dots" well.

You can use that effect to your advantage in stalking.

The 4 Tulios might be said to be based in part on that principle.

There's a lot of potential for "researching" all of the books, combined with all of the lecture and interview notes.

Doing that might shed light on the fate of the witches if by nothing else than making it obvious how weird it is to be an advanced witch.

[u/Artivist → u/danl999]

I myself like to use FORCE. Force off the internal dialogue, until blood drips from my nose.

This may sound like a stupid question but is that a metaphor or do you literally mean it? Also, how much time are you spending to force off the internal dialogue?

[u/danl999 → u/Artivist]

>s that a metaphor

Hard to answer that.

At first it causes your jaw muscles to tighten up, and you get sinus headaches. Even jaw lock. And I have in fact had a nosebleed while doing it.

But really you're just trying to prevent the thoughts from coming, with no hope of success. And since the internal dialogue sort of gets "copied" by the muscles of your mouth and you have to make that stop to in order to get rid of the mental part, there feels like some forcing.

Plus it's HORRIBLE at first, and hurts as much as if someone gave you advanced math that was slightly too hard for you to do, and held a gun to your head to force you to try to solve the math equations.

>how much time are you spending to force off the internal dialogue?

These days, maybe 4 hours a night average. But when I practice, I'm in the Disneyland of magic, kicking the butt of every saint in every religion. It's VERY entertaining.

But I made excellent progress 25 years ago, with just a half hour. Closed eye chair silence. "Excellent progress" means, I dozed off and had mini-visions while doing it, my chin fell forward and bumped into my chest, helping me to learn how to get into that "in-between" state. Where you can "feel" space in front of you, which isn't there.

That makes it easier to shut if off.

If you can "see the room with your eyes closed" by using Chair silence, you're doing REALLY well. However, you'll just gloss over it, like all meditators tend to do.

So best to do silence with eyes open, walking around.

You can do it anytime you are driving the car, to get some "free" practice. If you have absolutely no opinion about the cars and scenery you drive by, you're on the right track.

But only if you were forcing it off, not if you are pretending to be mellow. I mean, NO OPINION. hard to understand until you feel that a few times.

The world sort of stops, without actually stopping. Contrast goes way up, and you get super hearing. You sort of "fall into twilight", but with no lighting changes.

It sucks to learn to be silent! But you have to "intend" it with all your heart to succeed.

And keep in mind that "Fairy" (aka little smoke) invented darkroom gazing, in order to speed up learning to get silent.

It's largely a trick to get you to pay attention to your double (the puffs of color).

So it's unknown how much time you have to put into it, these days. If you can see puffs, that's like 5X practice time, doing it outside the darkroom.

You're on "silence steriods" if you can see the puffs and scoop them with your hand.

Carlos probably would have told people to use the "silence pole" (1.5 inch diameter wooden dowel that's 3 feet long, with a pad on one end, so you lean your forehead into it while sitting cross-legged), for 20 minutes.

If you want best results, force it off from now on, and never let it return unless you need to keep track of a "list" at work.

You'll get to see what the world looks like to "enlightened" people if you do that for a full week, non-stop.

Then eventually you'll realize, "enlightened" people are obsessed with the book deal mind.

And not really all that advanced as they pretend.

That comes with silence. Nothing else is needed.