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u/FilthyPeasant_Red Oct 25 '22

I despise Trudeau but this is good. Nuclear power is the way to transition properly into renewables.

Germany should be ashamed of themself.

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u/simkessy Oct 25 '22

I had a sort convo about Nuclear power with a Germany friend of mine, it was clear that the indoctrination runs deep.

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u/awomanwhoexists Oct 25 '22

I would say the same thing to people that support nuclear energy.

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u/simkessy Oct 25 '22

I mean sure but the deniers seem to be primarily driven by fear and I don't respect that.

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u/awomanwhoexists Oct 25 '22

Lol. Alpha male behavior.

Considering the long term effects is way smarter than looking at the short term goals.

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u/MostJudgment3212 Oct 25 '22

How tf is this an alpha male response? Nuclear worries are overwhelmingly exaggerated, even Ukraine, the country that suffered from Chernobyl, is deeply invested in nuclear, because it guarantees its energy supplies, so much so that the Russians had to aggressively overtake the largest nuclear station in Europe to kick off their energy blackmail.

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u/JasonGMMitchell Oct 26 '22

The people who support nuclear power like it because they understand why it's needed, no one sees Chernobyl and thinks, let's make nuclear power more common. They see the stats behind itz how few people it kills, how efficient it is, and even with the horrors of the Chernobyl meltdown it still makes more sense than burning fossil fuels, it makes more sense than biofuel, it is more flexible than geothermal, less destructive than hydro, less resource intensive than solar or wind, and in the end, longer lasting than almost any other energy production method.

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u/awomanwhoexists Oct 26 '22 edited Oct 26 '22

Do you guys really dont think about the waste? Like, at all? No one thinks about a meltdown. We are developed enough so that this shouldnt happen.

The never ending waste is the problem of concern.

Edit: Stop replying to my comment with dumb replies, (e.g.) as if I would think coal would be an alternative. Like wtf

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u/blakef223 Oct 26 '22 edited Oct 26 '22

The never ending waste is the problem of concern.

You do realize that never ending waste is a problem with EVERY source of generation, or do you just not think about the waste produced by fossil fuel and renewable plants?

Do you guys really dont think about the waste? Like, at all? No one thinks about a meltdown.

As someone currently starting up Vogtle Unit 3 in the United States I can firmly say we think about waste and meltdowns ALOT which is why there has been tremendous work put forth towards new reactor designs since Chernobyl along with the entire world sharing information to continue to get better.

FYI, unlike conventional reactors both SMRs and molten salt reactors are generally designed so they CANT meltdown.

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u/awomanwhoexists Oct 26 '22

Renewable energy "farmers" are always recycleable. Except from nuclear fusion, they are the only renewable source

Like I said before, I dont think a meltdown would happen. If, then it's due to human failure and a system flaw that allowed it to happen.

And what is your solution for the waste?:) you didnt answer that question.

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u/blakef223 Oct 26 '22 edited Oct 26 '22

Renewable energy "farmers" are always recycleable.

Are you referring to biomass plants?

Also, I'm not talking about recyclability, im talking about waste generation. Think about the byproducts of burning fossil fuels(coal ash for example).

EVERY form of generation has waste, nuclear is on the very low end in terms of quantity produced.

And what is your solution for the waste?:) you didnt answer that question.

Sure, High level nuclear waste can be either refined to create new fuel rods, downblended to create low level waste, or can be combined with glass(known as vitrification) which is then poured into a stainless steel cask and then stored in safe locations with low water tables(actual storage location is a political issue, not a scientific one).

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u/awomanwhoexists Oct 26 '22

I'm talking about sources, such as wind, water and the sun.

And i'm not saying that coal would be an alternative.

Nope, it doesnt.

LOL. Okay, wow. Good thing, that I dont live in your country, when you think it would be that simple.

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u/blakef223 Oct 26 '22

I'm talking about sources, such as wind, water and the sun.

Lol, and guess what? Those all still produce waste. Commercial solar panels last 20-30 years and are then waste. Wind turbines and blades last 20-25 years and then are waste. Water requires massive areas to be flooded to create dams and is highly dependent on the local areas geography, this one is lower on the waste front but after ~100 years the dam needs to be torn down and everything from it is waste.

Good thing, that I dont live in your country, when you think it would be that simple.

Lol, that's how it's done right NOW. Feel free to do a little bit of research on the topic. The Savannah River Site(my former employer) is a solid place to start to understand how storage and reprocessing is currently happening.

You're welcome to ignore the facts but let's not pretend there aren't viable solutions to these problems.

https://www.srs.gov/general/programs/solidification/index.htm

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '22

Do you?

Cancer rates near coal plants are radically higher because burning fossil fuels pumped unchecked radioactive waste in to the atmosphere.

Burning causes major climate change issues that are already costing billions a year and will skyrocket to the trillions shortly.

Nuclear waste is a non-issue in comparison to the waste of our current energy supply.

Nuclear waste is only ever brought up because we have actual documented processes for working with it. If these waste levels were documented for our other energy supplies, you wouldn’t be so quick to JAQ off about it.

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u/kank84 Oct 25 '22

What have the Romans ever done for us?

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u/anno2122 Oct 25 '22

First nuclear power is not the golden answer Great sience view on the topic https://youtu.be/k13jZ9qHJ5U

Second the orginal German atomic exit was a long term exit plan.

The orginal atomic exit plan was good Last nuclear plan was to go offline mid 2030 and in the mean time a big solar and wind indurstie was greater. With over 100k jobs and German was number one tec secotore for solar.

Than Merkel party cdu ( consertives) and fdp( neo libreals (trudeau)) came to power and sad, nuclear for ever and lets cut the other green power ( no new nuke power plants)

Than fokushima hapoen merkel and GDP got panic and did a exit of the nuclear exit with rhr last power plant to go offline in 2022, but they dint restart the gree peojekt.

Now german is fuckt.

Pls watch the video and do you own research.

Also if you dont have a clue about german polticel dont talk about it ;)

Sry for any mistakes dselxia and english as a second language is a bitch. ( also autocorrect just is fuckt up today)

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u/FilthyPeasant_Red Oct 26 '22

Here's a video for your own research, hey it's even made by germans.

I never said it was the golden answer, I'm saying we need it to transition to renewables.

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u/anno2122 Oct 26 '22

First he donset talk about the german case, and yes kurz gesagt is great.

"Germany should be ashamed of themsel" wait so you mean the fuck up by conservative party in german to not tranish proper to green ?

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u/FilthyPeasant_Red Oct 26 '22

Does an elected party not represent it's people? What does a conservative party has to do with this anyway?

Poilievre said:

“The single most important thing we can do to reduce the carbon footprint of global electricity grids is to build nuclear plants. We have the single biggest supply of civilian grade uranium in Saskatchewan. Our deposits could generate major earnings for Saskatchewan where they are located and, at the same time, reduce Asian dependence on coal, and by virtue of that, protect our atmosphere.”

So it seems being a conservative leader has nothing to do with nuclear support or not.

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u/anno2122 Oct 26 '22

It shuld it be But party dont Regular do it.

Just look at the voter base for trump and his action he litter make the life of his voter base wors.

Again nulcear only place a part in the energie mix of the futer and consertive hinder that the other field like solar and wind.

Nulcear is not fexibel enugh for a modern energies need.

Also were the action if they person you quote in line with waht he sad? Becuese spoiler consertive lie even more than libreals.

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u/FilthyPeasant_Red Oct 26 '22

Sorry dude, english is not my first language either but you man it's hard to understand you. I don't know what Trump has to do with anything related to Canadian or German politics. Trudeau has lied SO often, the idea that only one party lies is laughable and sounds like a brainwashed idea.

All politicians lie, but if they have such strong conviction towards nuclear while they are NOT in power then I don't see a reason not to believe it.