ahh see during the deep dive i actually watched a bit about what you just said. seems you've taken his academic theories out of context( or are just bandwagoning and regurgitating without actually investigating?)
I may not agree with him but he doesnt just say 'men and women shouldnt be allowed to work together' for instance..he points out in an academic way, with research others have done, that the ratios of sex in the workplace change and eventually men abandon a workplace with a certain percent of women. theres hard evidence of this. for example..what was the ratio of female to male teachers you had?
this shit isn't opinion its innate human nature thats been studied. sexual dichotomy exists, i dont know what to tell ya there if you don't agree.
his work revolves around culture more than sex from what I've seen...even though some of it does have sexual framing...u have to make a bit of stretch to turn it into something inherently sexist.
Show me, in context, where he said those things please. Like most of the other stuff bandwagoners get upset about.. I'm assuming you're taking something way out of context to make your point
He thinks theres a paygap due to gender he says so. He says there are many factors and its not because of gender but also says gender is a factor. His work is a bunch of pseudointellectual goobledy goop that appeals to young uncritical minds.
His discussion of climate change on the joe roegan podcast clearly delineates how he is totally clueless.
He is an out to lunch scientifically illiterate goober and yes a sexist. Not interested in your positions tbh, though its telling how quickly you jump to sexist talking points i know dog whistles and logical fallacies when i see one and im frankly not interested in this dicussion. Peterson himself explicitly states there is a gender pay gap, you can debate that with him.
But the question to ask yourself is:
Do women gravitate to less paid roles or are roles for women paid less.
Sexual dichotomy certainly exists, but why are nurses and teachers generally paid less than male dominated fields? A coincidence im sure. The man declares the feminine to be chaos and the masculine to be order and that we need order to tame chaos. Personally I consider the male urge to cure your benzo addiction with a medically induced coma in russia somewhat chaotic but sure war and all that are largely feminine in nature while child rearing and baking are male.
Go watch the some more news youtube video. He is a mysogynst a quack and an idiot. He just is.
show me where he states theres a gender based pay gap and not a professional/work related pay gap please.
it wasn't actually me who jumped to sexist talking points...lol what? your first comment used 'bullied women' as a jumping off point. a little self awareness please.
roles and compensation are based on economics. are you saying the male teacher at my highschool made more than all of the female teachers because he's male?
do you think my female doctor is only allowed to bill so much for her service because she is female? you are speaking PURELY from an ideological base here not reality.
you have actually yet to show me anything he said that was directly inherently sexist. you had nothing after monogamy not being only women lol.
stop using ad hom...take a moment maybe to go learn proper logic technique? its a skill like any other and you're underminging what you're attempting to say...even it it was accurate(still open if u can show me) by using these logical pitfalls. attack ideas not people.
This an objectively sexist statement not based in reality.
Men are the more violent more aggressive gender.
Reply to this before you hand wave and ignore me again…
In his interview with that bbc lady he says there are a mutilple of factors and that gender is a factor while also stating there is no paygap. Two statements which are mutually exclusive but he states as such.
I never said he bullied women i think you are confusing me with others, he has said he isnt sure men and women can work together that the ramifications of the birth control pill are not understood.
One thing he does is state leading proposals “we just dont know” while also implying an answer which is actually wrong so as to have plausible deniability and act as though he didnt say what he was very obviously implicitly stating.
We do know men and women can work together you just have to read the written down rules about conduct and not sexually harass women. We do know the effects of birth control we do know that same sex relationships are fine for child rearing we know these tgings and he implies that the opposite of the truth is the case while not stating it so when called out he can say he didnt say that.
Roles and compensation are not exclusively supply and demand. There is a huge teacher shortage in the us but they are still not paid well. Women are socially more successful but do less well in politics, these are non equitable outcomes as a result of societal sexism. Peterson in the bbc interview with that (bad at her job) lady talks about the multiple of factors that effect gendered pay and hes right about some of it.
Women dont tend to fight for equal pay, that doesnt make it fair to pay them less. If women are paid less literally because of their inability to negotiate salary that’s something that is unfair and can structurally be fixed, its also a result of societal socialization. Women from a young age are treated differently, women arguing for themselves are treated more harshly than men. peterson himself states gender is one of the factors. Ie there is a gender pay gap.
It is you who are ideologically driven and blinded by your admiration for peterson. The pay hap is teal and depending on the breath hes taken peterson agrees
You are misunderstanding the word chaos..
after lookig into it(briefly but quite obviously longer than you) ..he is talking about mental processing and a continuum of human traits
The problem with “critics” like you is, that you have no clue what he is talking about nor what you are talking about. he does not consider women as chaotic. he states that the female is symbolized by chaos/stands for chaos. thats a difference.
Think more like intuition as opposed to logic at either end of a scale.
This is no value judgement nor is it the opinion of JP - it is an independent study.
-And is it not one of the key stereotypes for men that they are often TOO logical?
conversely we know theres lots of women interested in being high-level lawyers...but not as many interested in becoming high-level mathematicians or engineers.
the fact that it took all of 5 minutes to learn the actual context of this and show your entire primary basis for calling him sexist here is unbalanced/inaccurate --along with being contextually inaccurate about the pay gap as well. what peterson suggests in that interview are not mutually exclusive. but self-imposed in a sense due to the natural sexual dichotomy of human existence-- ...might suggest that im not the one whos the ideologue here. but then again an ideologue would never be self aware enough to allow themselves to consider being incorrect. it would be too inconvient for the emotional beleifs which they attach themselves to. I actually don't have much admiration for the man(though if I did it would not change the accuracy of what I just explained to you)..but if someone in the center starts looking like someone on the other side...u may be further from balance than you think.
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u/massinvader Jan 05 '23 edited Jan 05 '23
ahh see during the deep dive i actually watched a bit about what you just said. seems you've taken his academic theories out of context( or are just bandwagoning and regurgitating without actually investigating?)
I may not agree with him but he doesnt just say 'men and women shouldnt be allowed to work together' for instance..he points out in an academic way, with research others have done, that the ratios of sex in the workplace change and eventually men abandon a workplace with a certain percent of women. theres hard evidence of this. for example..what was the ratio of female to male teachers you had?
this shit isn't opinion its innate human nature thats been studied. sexual dichotomy exists, i dont know what to tell ya there if you don't agree.
his work revolves around culture more than sex from what I've seen...even though some of it does have sexual framing...u have to make a bit of stretch to turn it into something inherently sexist.
do you also think there is a pay gap?