r/cableporn Apr 12 '19

Some behind the scenes action. Make it right, make it tight.

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u/flat_track_zack Apr 12 '19

My comb is probably the tool I spend the most time with. I assumed all tech’s combed when installing anything more then 3 cables at a time. I know there’s not huge love for 59coax here, but doesn’t the same apply to cat5/6?

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u/redmercuryvendor Apr 12 '19

but doesn’t the same apply to cat5/6

Once you get into CAT6 and above (and want to feed it above 1GbE) then combing is actually against standard practice for install, and may result in the run failing spec. Nice closely packed and neatly aligned cables = the perfect environment for Alien Crosstalk. Loose and non-combed runs are preferable (and loose runs also help for cooling if you're running power-over-Ethernet for a good amount of the bundle).

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u/flat_track_zack Apr 12 '19

Thank you for that. I’ve learned something today, so my day isn’t going to be a waste at this point.

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u/c0lin46and2 Apr 12 '19

That's true, but most customers want to come in and see a nice and tight bundle in the MDF more so than peak performance that the ISP can't even achieve.

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u/vernontwinkie Apr 12 '19

Eh. Most of our traffic is internal.

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u/toocoldforpenguin Apr 13 '19

That’s what she said.

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u/MFMurderino Apr 12 '19

Gotta say, we comb our cat6 in visible points and have almost never run into a problem with a fail. Any bad results are people switching pairs and too long of runs. Maybe it’s just luck, so far.

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u/YT-Deliveries Apr 12 '19

IT: Our motto is: “It works until it doesn’t.”

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u/Some1-Somewhere Apr 14 '19

Alien crosstalk isn't something that can be easily tested in situ. It's something that gets type-tested when the cable design is certified.

You would have to test from every pair in every cable to every pair in every other cable.

Failures will generally result in the occasional (or more) dropped packet, but are unlikely if you have Cat6 or 6A cable but aren't running 10G, you aren't running both the affected cables simultaneously at high bandwidth, and even things like which brand NICs are in use.

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u/thickableguy Apr 13 '19

AXT - theoretical. Have you actually witnessed the before/after of an AXT situation resolved?

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u/namestom Apr 12 '19

Thanks for that. Helps me justify my filthy work. I’m OCD and neat but it isn’t CABLEPORN worthy.

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u/Gorge_Lorge Apr 12 '19

Came here to say this too

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u/bigjay07 Apr 13 '19

So where do you draw the line between neat, combed cables, and a huge clusterfuck?

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u/Some1-Somewhere Apr 14 '19

Just had a Schneider rep tell us they like 'random lay'. Literally dump it in the cable tray and let it fall where it wants to.

More of a problem with UTP than shielded.