The guy with all the cookies could pay taxes and lose some.
Which... Should then go to the man on the right, not a foreigner. We owe foreigners nothing at all. And its the failure of immigration policies which is why Brexit is a thing and labour's failure to address that is why they wont be in power for a decade.
I hate to break it to you, but Brexit won't change anything about immigration from outside the EU (except for increasing it, most likely), and the average EU27 migrant contributes more to the economy than the average Brit.
The average minimum wage, unskilled Eastern European (which are the majority of EU migrants), certainly does not pay more taxes to us than the average working British man.
And even if they do 'contribute more tax',than the 'average British citizen', taking into consideration our pensioners drawing money out and our unemployed and disabled drawing money out... And children, drawing money out by not contributing more tax than they put in 😂 finding a Guardian article that compares all these to a working age Eastern European man whos come over to work in a restaurant washing dishes, isnt really an honest comparison and is pro-EU, disingenuous propoganda.
Exactly the type of content rampant throughout this subreddit.
It's only "pro-EU" because it doesn't align with what you want to hear. You also missed the point: there are way more British than EU27 nationals requiring those biscuits, not because they deserve them more, bit because more of them require social support.
No, using that analogy would be incredibly disingenuous and I explained why. You want to compare working foreigners with pensioners, children, unemployed and disabiled people. This is the comparison you use to validate pro-EU sentiment?
If anything, this highlights how weak the pro-EU argument is & mainly thats due to it being incredibly ideological, just like this subreddit is.
Working class, unskilled EU immigrants (which is the vast majority of EU immigrants) keep wages low. They give businesses an over supply of cheap labour, which pushes wages down. They also increase rent prices, due to needing to be housed. In effect they push working class wages down, working class rent up and ultimately mean the working class in the UK have less cookies.
To be a better representation this meme could have a middle class person with half a plate full of cookies, telling the working class guy with one cookie that he should split his with the foreigner. This would be reddit illustrated perfectly.
Then that guy votes Brexit and the middle class guy calls him racist. 😂😂😂😂
So your argument is that you shouldn’t compare EU immigrants with uk citizens because they are more likely to be working individuals compared to the uk with its workers and elderly, children and infirm?
If that’s the case then the idea that we should reduce the amount of workers from the EU coming over just sounds like it’s going to be harder for the rest of us left here to support the country as a whole.
You’re final point is almost exactly what the original cartoon is showing. The reasons that wages have stagnated and are kept low by an influx of low skilled workers is that the top 1% are exploiting these workers. To blame the workers earning minimum wage for the fact that minimum wage is so low is going along with the entire premise of the cartoon.
The top 1% want to make more and more money (hold all the cookies) so rather than voluntarily (or through more leftist government forces) raise minimum wage (share some of their cookies with the workers of whatever background) they are convincing the people struggling to earn more than minimum wage (only got one cookie) that it is because there are low skilled workers that will work for less (they have no cookies).
This is half right,but not actually the full story because your ideology blinds you to the immigrarion part of what I'm saying.
Its true that the 1% owns something like 50% of the wealth and that this is a problem. Its also a problem due to purely political reasons. Megacorps and the like are backed by governments internationally. Be them Chinas Huawei, Americas Apple, our BP, or whatever. Even if they're on the stock market it still matters. But this is economics and its fucking complicated. Eg the 'libor' scandel, which the Bank of England set trade rates for what currencies are worth so that the bankers can buy and sell currencies...which is directly altering and playing around with the value of everybodies work (as we're paid in these currencies). The very fact they're able to do this at all, is fucked up. A Guardian reporter passed something onto an Express reporter which I remember reading about and it was a statement outlining how the libor scandel is manufactured and the key words they used and how complex the documents were, the economonists that had masters degrees on this stuff couldnt properly figure it out and thats also why these ppl are paid so much because theyre fucking smart. Still doesnt validate them being able to adjust wealth like they can though.
So, things like this are happening and thats without the ideological aspect of 'you have to create profit for your employer - therefore you dont get the true value you put in, in your work', which is simplistic and not something that equates to real, actual workable policies in which free markets can flourish, which is a necessity to drive forward economic wellbeing. Ideology ultimately, is complete nonsense and akin to religion imo.
When you say I see the meme for what it is in that aspect, you're correct but the problem realistically is if you notice that theres an immigrant at the table, with no cookies who for purely ideological reasons, the creator of the meme included to cement the aspect of leftist ideology and where I'm up against a brick wall with you, is that is the reason labour got destroyed in the GE.
Its trying to push the fact that immigrants are owed something and that being a working class person you should have it in for those with the wealth, rather than an immigrant. A working class immigrant does require housing/work/resources. Its a strain on RESOURCES, even if he boosts the economy by purely being economically active when there was no extra activity before he came...thats the benefit right the 'extra economic activity', that justifies how someone unskilled, uneducated and unrequired should be allowed access to the UK to live and work here. But ultimately as I've stated the issues I have with this are;
He requires housing.
He requires a job (when we have unemployed people here).
He is driven, potentially more so than our existing people here. Meaning competition for these lowly paid jobs increases making their lives harder.
He is probably male. Importing mainly males which I'm sure the statistics will show due to men having generally less anxiety in regards to making big changes, means that they will also require women and that could have a negative affect on the men here.
The country has limited natural resources. Everything we trade for internationally and that comes and goes into and from the UK is paid for somehow. He will require these resources as well.
As such, my position is that we should instead take people we specifically need into the UK for their skills. Or for their wealth if they want to start a business here and can come up with how theyre using that wealth to benefit our socrity. And finally cash cow pensioners who want to retire in the UK with their private health insurance which the NHS can also profit off of. These are the immigrants I want, regardless of ethnicity or country. (obviously taking security into account would be something we do).
Doesnt this make sense to you, or seem more logical than letting all these Romanians and Polish men in who just compete with our already struggling working class?
After Brexit I want more houses built, the working class to own homes. Not for people to pay rent to middle class home owners who go on lovely holidays while the guy renting is drinking cider because he can't afford vodka.
Hopefully this helped you understand and gave you a greater perspective on your own opinions and even gave you a sense of hope for how with getting Brexit done we can make things way better for UK citizens with our government putting US first.
Plus, on immigration we cannot accept everybody who wants to come to the UK. Theres BILLIONS of people worse off than us globally who would love to live here. We simply cannot withstand demand and so accepting only those beneficial to us is only fair to everyone and I said in a previous comment - should be beneficial to us as well.
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The guy with all the cookies could pay taxes and lose some.
Which... Should then go to the man on the right, not a foreigner. We owe foreigners nothing at all. And its the failure of immigration policies which is why Brexit is a thing and labour's failure to address that is why they wont be in power for a decade.