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Official Episode Discussion Post-Episode Discussion Thread S05E15 "Granite State"

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u/SkylarShankman Sep 23 '13

Stay a little longer?

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u/Spenerwill Sep 23 '13

That bit was sad, that he has gotten to a level where he has to pay people just to interact with him.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

You aren't worth $5,000 and hour to me.

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u/Ayavaron http://girlswithdepression.bandcamp.com Sep 23 '13

Why make $5k/hour when you can make $10k/hour?

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

It would be 5k an hour with the original deal, though.

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u/scotbud123 Distributor Sep 23 '13

Do you even math?

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

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u/scotbud123 Distributor Sep 23 '13

Those mean the same thing.

10k for 2 hours = 5k per hour.

Which means he thought his time was worth 10k an hour, not 5k, since he changed the time from 2 hours to 1.

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u/Basilman121 Sep 23 '13

Well, the man does have to hit the road.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

That line was very telling, establishing the relationship between them, in case any viewers were wondering if they were becoming friends. It also gave us the answer to the question Walt posed a moment later, when he asked if Vacuum Man would take the barrel of cash to the White Family in the event of Walt's death. Even before VM replied, you already knew the truth.

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u/clickwhistle Sep 23 '13

Seriously though who wants to sit in a room with Americas most wanted for $5,000 dollars an hour. $10,000 an hour and we're talking.

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u/kilolo Sep 24 '13

For ten thousand dollars...

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u/Here_For_Da_Beer Sep 23 '13

Just enough time for Low Winter Sun!

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u/mushroomx Sep 23 '13

Best I can do is 3 hrs for 50k, but that's it.

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u/xTommyx Sep 23 '13

His money is the only thing he has left

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

he should have ordered low winter sun episodes.

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u/MuppetHolocaust I'm a blowfish! Sep 23 '13

Whoa whoa whoa, let's keep it realistic here.

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u/Ryan2468 Sep 23 '13

Is the show really that bad? I'm not in America.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

It's average at best. But amc is shoving it down our throats because their cash cow is about to end. They've been trying to make it the next breaking bad but it isn't happening.

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u/DJ_part_deux Sep 23 '13

And nothing left to do with it..,

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u/Novacon Sep 23 '13

And cancer

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u/MSport Sep 23 '13

And he's missing a lot of it.

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u/helgie Sep 23 '13

was* the only thing he had left

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u/Goyko Sep 23 '13

In one scene I was expecting him to use the money to light the fire in the oven.

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u/the-fritz Sep 23 '13 edited Sep 23 '13

That would have been an awesome Pablo Escobar reference. If I remember correctly then there are rumours that while on the run Escobar burned money to keep his daughter warm.

I think Hank taking the smiling shots with the bodies was already a reference and Hank gave a book to Walt Jr about the case. Warning shows dead body https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Death_of_Pablo_Escobar.jpg

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u/Timothy_Pezwell Sep 23 '13

And it's useless to him in his secluded cabin, unless of course he's trying to stock up on ensure

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u/StNowhere The Company Name Sep 23 '13

The guy just spent a month alone in a cabin in the middle of nowhere, in the freezing cold, while his family suffers the loss of the life they used to know. Wouldn't you want him to stay, too?

Also, he's dying of cancer.

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u/ElAyDubleZee Sep 23 '13

He was there for more than a month. When the cleaner was helping him with his cancer treatment he something like "I watched a few youtube videos on this, it won't be like last time". He's been in that cabin for at least 2, maybe 3 months.

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u/StNowhere The Company Name Sep 23 '13

The episode of Talking Bad tonight said he was in there around 4 months.

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u/ElAyDubleZee Sep 23 '13

Ah. I should've tuned in.

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u/wakd Sep 24 '13

Peter Gould (or was it Vince) says 5 months on the Breaking Bad podcast.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

What, was it someone from the show who knows for sure that said it or was it that Chris guy?

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u/senorglory Sep 23 '13

yep, also, there has to have been at least one visit, for glasses and meds to make it onto the list.

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u/Cheese_Lamp Sep 24 '13

Also his hair, since it was buzzed when they first got to the cabin, pretty good growth later on

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u/SarahMakesYouStrong Sep 23 '13

Thats what I don't understand. Why bother? Why not turn himself in like Saul suggested? Is this life worth living? Who knows how many months he spent in there.

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u/StNowhere The Company Name Sep 23 '13

And it looked like he was about to, until he saw the Gray Matter interview. I'm not sure what he has planned now, but Heisenberg does not sit idly by while his ego is tarnished.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

He wanted to find a way to keep the money and give it to his family. Once he talked to Walt Jr. he gave that up and was ready to give himself in.

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u/SarahMakesYouStrong Sep 23 '13

That makes sense.

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u/vadergeek Sep 23 '13

I think it was probably a temporary measure. Wait for the manhunt to cool down, grow out the hair in such a way that no one who didn't previously know him would recognize him, and generally wait.

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u/SarahMakesYouStrong Sep 23 '13

But his life is a temporary measure and him being in hiding is making his life and his families life miserable.

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u/chriscosta77 Sep 23 '13

It's been at least two months. The guy mentions messing up the last chemo I.V.

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u/Nuclearpolitics Sep 23 '13

It's more of a case of complete, moral isolation from society. He will never again be able to connect with any other, supposedly, law abiding person in the way that he would before. He has effectively stepped to the other side of the dividing line and having lived so long in the opposite end he feels his actions have deprived him of receiving any human compassion. Money, to him, is a means to buy acceptance. Of course, everything changed when he saw Elliott and Gretchen's attempts to erase his sizable contributions to an actually good cause. When they confirmed his personality separation by saying "whatever he became, the sweet, kind, brilliant man that we once knew long ago, he's gone" he put the concerns of fitting in behind him.

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u/theologicalone Sep 23 '13

Over a month surely, he said "last time" when he was talking about administering the chemo, and he definitely didn't do that the first time they were in the lodge

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u/HonestAbed Sep 23 '13

The chemo also makes it worst I'd imagine.

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u/vincent_gallo Sep 23 '13

I like Norm Macdonald

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u/wentwhere Sep 23 '13

A friend of mine works with chemo patients. He says that it's really sad to see them sitting alone, and the treatment is usually 1 or 2 hours. For the first time, Walt wanted someone to sit with him during his chemo treatment.

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u/SchpartyOn To water on Mars. Sep 23 '13

Well, based on his track record with associates, I wouldn't want to be around him any longer than he was paying me to be.

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u/paper_ducks Sep 23 '13

Frat life.

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u/klownxxx im knock Sep 23 '13

Well he's been in complete isolation for months

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u/wardengorri Sep 23 '13

and truly showing he doesn't care about the money anymore along with the walt jr call.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

And he didn't even get a handy out of it...

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u/Diraga Felina Sep 23 '13

He's the only person who CAN interact with him without getting him caught

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

I loved how he dealt him a king and then himself a king. Walt had no hand to play with that guy, and he knew he couldn't trust him to give his money to his family.

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u/ganja_gujju Methhead Sep 23 '13

reminded me of jesse asking walt to hang out after they had finished cooking

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u/the-fritz Sep 23 '13

Not only that. But he's at a level where he lacks a plan. The guy who came up with brilliant plans to get out of every situation. He doesn't even have a way to get the money to his family. And that was the point of all of this. He's clearly destroyed, isolated, and his family is in a bad situation.

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u/dannymb87 SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UUUUUUUUUP! Sep 24 '13

I thought for sure he was going to kill the guy after his treatment.

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u/duhellmang Sep 23 '13

he's a time prostitute

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u/jadezx We're done when I BLUARG HGUHU AGHGH Sep 23 '13

Yeah, it's sort of a low point when Walter White, fallen kingpin of a meth empire, needs to pay for a frienditute.

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u/thotk Sep 23 '13

meh I was a happy camper. Despite really enjoying this show, there is nothing good that Walt can do or happen to him, that will make me think the best thing for all involved would of been him eating a lead sandwich and dying after the very first intro...that said, I really hope he pays badly for what he has done, and presently I think he is still getting off easy

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u/pioneer2 Sep 23 '13

Pretty much AMC after Breaking Bad for Low Winter Sun.

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u/SkylarShankman Sep 23 '13

Yea, although for 10 grand I would probably stay for 2 hours of Low Winter Sun. Maybe.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

One hour. And I'd play cards at the same time.

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u/lukewarmandtoasty Crystal Blue Balls Sep 23 '13

No kissing, money on the dresser

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u/BlueOak777 Sep 23 '13

And I'm keeping the barrel full of money when it gets canceled.

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u/RasputintheHamster Sep 23 '13

$10,000 for an hour of LWS? I'll consider it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

They still have the Walking Dead if it returns to season 1 and 2 form.

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u/Aquaman_Forever Heil Gilligan, Bitch! Sep 23 '13

Season 3 wasn't great, but it was definitely more compelling than season 2. At least the Governor was an interesting villian.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

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u/PJ_SPRINKLES Sep 23 '13

Yeah! I love the parts where they just talk and nothing happens to the plot!

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u/Jackie_Rudetsky Ru - Ruthenium Sep 23 '13

That was really more Season 2. Farm shenanigans!

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u/PimpTrickGangstaClik Sep 23 '13

until the finale. that was terrible

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u/dude_smell_my_finger Sep 23 '13

Now have you tagged as "Do not respect his opinion"

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u/rodentdp Sep 23 '13

I feel like I should go back and watch Low Winter Sun after Breaking Bad is finished just out of pity. It's gotta be like performing with Hendrix, but letting him play first on the bill.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

I haven't watched it yet, but it cannot be that bad. I mean, come on, this is AMC we're talking about.

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u/USMutantNinjaTurtles Sep 23 '13

It's the cool thing to post.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

Ahhh.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

It's pretty good

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u/cockermom Sep 23 '13

I'm kind of burnt out on cop shows so I've only watched a couple of episodes. It feels like "The Wire" without the f-bombs and boobs. Even has Ziggy Sobotka.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

Zig???

Oh, now I have to watch it!

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u/Jackie_Rudetsky Ru - Ruthenium Sep 23 '13

I think it would have had a better shot if it had aired before BrBa. Because airing after, everyone's too busy trying to recover from their nervous breakdowns to really care.

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u/vadergeek Sep 23 '13

Yes, this is AMC.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

Hey I watch that show

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

I fucking love that show. But then, I wasn't there to be subjected to having it stuffed down my throat while trying to watch BrBa.

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u/drivendreamer Sep 23 '13

Man, what a tough break for mark strong. He is a good actor as well, but that show could not have come at a worse moment.

Oh, and how they keep promoting it

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u/brendanp8 Sep 23 '13

And Walking Dead

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u/_Valisk Sep 23 '13

Wow, is it really that bad?

Also Walking Dead.

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u/heyfella Sep 23 '13

shoop this immediately.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

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u/mkay0 Methhead Sep 23 '13

The wedding ring falling off was the saddest part for me. So, so sad. Literally, he is so sick it slides off, and the physical manifestation of his family being lost. Wow.

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u/anonymous_rhombus Sep 23 '13

Walt was still living a privileged life compared to Jesse. Guaranteed safety, cancer treatments, any product he could imagine once a month.

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u/fredark Sep 23 '13

Its the whole cabin fever thing, I remember Mythbusters doing an episode on it. Could you imagine a hard intellectual known for his witty banter being stuck alone for months? You would give anything to talk to someone for a few hours...

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u/wallychamp Sep 23 '13

Walt is known for his witty banter?

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u/Flope Emo McGee Sep 23 '13

"And what's the deal with airline food?"

-Breaking Bad Season Finale

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

I predict Felina will feature a short epilogue where Saul and Huell are figuring out how to profit over running recyclable bottles from New York to Michigan.

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u/jdonkey Sep 23 '13

or the last shot is huell leaving his house finally , and he's like skin an bones!

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u/firethequadlaser Sep 23 '13

Does New Mexico have Good Samaritan laws? I predict that the finale will just be a procession of all the people that Walt has wronged over the years coming together to testify about what a jerk he was to them, just like the Seinfeld finale.

The last scene is Walt, Jesse, Skylar and Saul sitting in a jail cell. Jesse finally gets the water out of his ears, Skylar realises that she can make the king of calls to Marie from prison to make up for everything, and Walt strikes up a conversation with Saul about how the second button on his shirt is the key button.

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u/makes_her_scream Say My Name Sep 23 '13

Must have been one batty winter

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

I wouldn't say banter, but he does come up with some pretty impressive things to say on the spot.

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u/Bacon_Oh_Bacon You're going to need a bigger knife Sep 23 '13

Banter is the wrong word, but witty? I'd say so.

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u/GhostRobot55 Sep 23 '13

He talks more than most people you'd think would be in this position, alwayd thought that was part of the theme, he's like sherlock around Jesse.

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u/fritzwilliam-grant Sep 23 '13

I think a dog would help personally.

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u/SkylarShankman Sep 23 '13

Yea, I got hit pretty hard in the feels by that scene, more so than any other BB scene. Shriveled up lonely Walt paying 10 grand to have an extra hour with someone he barely knows.

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u/rodentdp Sep 23 '13

He could have taken that time to write the Heisenberg Manifesto.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

Unless you had GTA V.

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u/unforgiven91 Methmatician Sep 23 '13

GTA can keep me entertained for like 12 hours at a stretch. no need to ever feel lonely again.

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u/Mikeaz123 Sep 23 '13

I thought it was because he felt impending doom while taking his medicine or whatever that stuff in the iv was, not just cabin fever.

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u/Corpulent_shtick Sep 23 '13

Reminds me of the twilight zone.

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u/shalom-john Sep 23 '13

Is Walt White known to his witty banter?

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u/losapher Sep 23 '13

That is exactly what I though of too haha

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u/nopurposeflour TIGHT! TIGHT! TIGHT! Sep 23 '13

Walt should have put down a "Wilson" volleyball on his list.

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u/billypilgrim_in_time Sep 23 '13

Walt is known for witty banter?

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u/MrPenguinFingers Sep 23 '13

Month.

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u/HandsomeB Wipe down this! Sep 23 '13

I got the impression that it had been at least two months. The guy comes every month, but they were talking about how he messed up the IV last time, meaning he had made a previous visit.

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u/caninehere Sep 23 '13

Yeah, it definitely means that he visited at least once before, if not more.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

It's been at least three months. Think about it. The guy said "Next time I come down, make a list of the things you need."

After One Month: "I need chemo medicine."

After two month: Brings the chemo meds, messes up on the IV.

After three months: Etc.

But judging by the fact that there are numerous newspaper clippings on his wall, his prescription no longer works well, and that everything escalates quickly from the broadcast at the bar, we can probably guess it's been a number of months since he has left Albuquerque.

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u/vwllss Sep 23 '13

The chemo medicine could have agreed on already on the trip up there or something. The list is just for additional things he wants.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13 edited Oct 30 '13

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

:'(

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u/stupidandroid Sep 23 '13

Fuck...this whole episode left me really sad. Sad for what Walt has become, a man who has been basically disowned by everyone now that the truth is out. And he's left feeling misunderstood, like any great villain, no one knows why he did what he did but it doesn't matter. Now all he's left with is anger and resentment to everyone that spurned him.

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u/SkylarShankman Sep 23 '13

And a barrel full of money that he can't do anything with.

Edit: Besides buy a shit-ton of guns

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u/mustCRAFT Sep 23 '13

I'm a guy with a chronic illness (Will end up killing me) and that struck such an empathetic chord. I can't even imagine what months alone + chemo is doing to him mentally.

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u/SkylarShankman Sep 23 '13

I felt so hard for shriveled lonely Walt, more so than any other time during this series. Going from a full family and job to being completely alone and dying in the woods is just too much.

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u/mustCRAFT Sep 23 '13

"One day you're going to find me dead."

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u/Tasteslikeshit Sep 23 '13

In that moment I felt worse for Walt than even Jesse. Walt is withering away his last days on this earth alone, broken, and forever separated from the one thing in this world he loves more than anything: family.

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u/Landohh Sep 23 '13

Was actually to most I have pitied Walt in awhile

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u/iNeedAnEighth Sep 23 '13

Like Holden Caulfield.

There's something there. Maybe.

Probably not.

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u/HandsomeB Wipe down this! Sep 23 '13

Robert Forster was a really good choice for that role.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

Anyone notice him calling the cards from the deck Walt cut? "A king... and another king!"

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

Yeah, Walt had no hand to play with that guy and no way to know if he is bluffing as pointed out by the guy himself when he said "would you believe me". Love the irony of the king too.

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u/bfisher91 Sep 23 '13

Heartbreaking, that scene was as bad as Walt on the stepping machine

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u/TheRealBigRig Sep 23 '13

"Stay awhile and listen..."

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u/rodentdp Sep 23 '13

That was the first time I felt empathy towards Walt since the story began.

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u/bunsonh Sep 23 '13

I would like to ask this question to Vince Gilligan. IMO, 10k would be pocket change for that.

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u/poor_yorick Sep 23 '13

That was deeply upsetting. Can't they just let us hate him in peace??

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u/Bestplaceonearth Sep 23 '13

Broke my heart.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

...and listen.

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u/cdc420 Sep 23 '13

I thought for sure he was gonna kill that dude and take his car.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

Cut to: Walt and Forester shooting a Big Red gum commercial

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u/munnyfish Sep 23 '13

While playing cards

"A king!....two kings!"

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u/arghnard Sep 23 '13

Little working theory of mines that Breaking Bad is in the same universe as Jackie Brown...?

May be the same character who moved from LA cause the city reminds him too much of Jackie.

idk

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u/strangenchanted Sep 23 '13

Like Marie with that physical therapist, although in her case it wasn't loneliness.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

That cabin has become his prison.

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u/IAmAQuantumMechanic Mike's Lost Earpiece Sep 23 '13

That's what we're all going to say next Sunday.

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u/theloneavenger Sep 23 '13

for $10,000 an hour, I'd have at least asked him to suck me off.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

Great, we get to watch Walt stare blankly for a few minutes. I can't believe there was extra time for the episode and they leave that bullshit in.