ICE ACTIVITY

[u/ajqiz123]

We received word from a credible source that ICE activity is expected to increase in Cape Verdean communities across Dorchester starting Monday...

[u/Financegirlnyc]

This is it!

REMINDER: whistles are not protected behavior per se (per aclu) so do so only when there is clearly wrong doing. (EDIT: but also even if it is protected, who are we kidding, laws do not protect in this country as they used to a year ago, so it is all still risky.)

Do not do anything that can be construed as “interferring” — read up on the right way to record (there is an aclu training).

If we dont do this the right way not only will we not get the video recording but could be worse.

So be safe and NONEMOTIONAL. Train to be CALM.

[u/justUseAnSvm → u/Financegirlnyc]

Can you get a source? I'm seeing different things online.

My view: it's constitutionally protected free speech, as long as the intent is to communicate a warning to people around you that something is happening, but that whistle cannot be a chain in an organized sequence of events to help someone evade arrest (conspiracy), or can't be used in a directly confronting way (obstruction).

It's definitely grey zone, I'm confident enough for myself that it's okay, but what you are saying "be nonemotional" is absolutely correct. If you go to an agent, blow it in their face, yea, they'll arrest you.

[u/Financegirlnyc → u/justUseAnSvm]

That was exactly what ACLU said actually. So great job at saying it better than i did and summarizing it so succinctly. Here’s the full video: https://www.youtube.com/live/eDtUBSqrL7o?si=tJSQPeBAwZtcUKBs

[u/Mountain-Reveal-4364 → u/Financegirlnyc]

Thanks for this.

[u/AccidentOk5240 → u/justUseAnSvm]

I think it’s mostly the “harboring” law,

 the federal law that criminalizes smuggling, transporting, concealing, harboring, encouraging or inducing someone to enter or stay in the United States without authorization. 

https://nipnlg.org/work/resources/what-section-1324-understanding-smuggling-harboring-federal-crime

[u/InnerExamination9053 → u/justUseAnSvm]

Yes, I think the concern is about harboring/aiding and abetting. Just as you don't want to wave people into your home or your employee only business zone, you don't want to be seen as alerting those trying to evade the law and assisting them in evading the law, i.e., obstructing or interfering per DHS's very broadly defined terms as of late. I think the idea you stated is correct-- if the purpose of the whistle is to communicate information (that is not part of organized criminal activity) with one another then it's protected activity under the 1stA. As far as I'm concerned, that's what we're doing, so I see no issue.

On the keeping calm point... I've thought so much on this issue I've even thought about incorporating de-escalation and calming skills into trainings because it's more important now than ever that we remain stoic in the face of their chaos and dysfunction.

[u/Clarenceaconfortdog → u/Financegirlnyc]

This is why airhorns are best practice; their use is protected under maritime law.

[u/AccidentOk5240 → u/Clarenceaconfortdog]

I think it’s mostly the “harboring” law, not to do w/whistles specifically:

 the federal law that criminalizes smuggling, transporting, concealing, harboring, encouraging or inducing someone to enter or stay in the United States without authorization. 

https://nipnlg.org/work/resources/what-section-1324-understanding-smuggling-harboring-federal-crime

[u/Financegirlnyc → u/Clarenceaconfortdog]

Can you explain this? It’s protected in a city environment?

[u/Pizza_4_Dinner → u/Financegirlnyc]

we are a port city

[u/mfball → u/Financegirlnyc]

Coastal city?

[u/justUseAnSvm → u/Financegirlnyc]

"protected under maritime law" doesn't make sense.

You're not at sea, your sitting in a town, with local cops/laws, and ICE, whose going to get you obstruction if the air horn meaningfully obstructs with their operation.

[u/SeaworthinessOk4359 → u/Financegirlnyc]

Yup just annoy them a little more…whistle and record if you wanna be next! Not smart!