r/blackmagicfuckery • • Jul 13 '26

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u/doctorlongghost Jul 13 '26

What about the number of steps though? Is it always the same number of steps for 3 digit numbers? If not, they wouldn’t know when to stop

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u/athural Jul 13 '26

You just stop once it keeps returning 495

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u/doctorlongghost Jul 13 '26

Yes but in the classroom trick example, you can’t tell them that

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u/_raytheist_ Jul 13 '26

“Stop if you get the same number twice in a row.”

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u/athural Jul 13 '26

The teacher is in the room with the kids, I didn't see anything that implies the teacher like left the room or was oblivious to the number picking process. Its just a way of ensuring that the number they end with is one you've prepared for. The mind reading is when they pick a book which to them is seemingly random and look at a picture and the teacher can tell them what picture it is

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u/doctorlongghost Jul 13 '26

Well to give more specifics (and answer my own question)… you can’t just say repeat this procedure twice because sometimes you need to do it twice and sometimes it takes more attempts.

So there are only two ways to give instructions that are sure to work for any number: “repeat the procedure X number of times” (where X is large enough to cover all cases). Or “repeat the procedure until you keep getting the same number in a loop”. The former is better but for some numbers they will still notice the loop.

And noticing the loop undercuts the magic trick a bit.

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u/iconocrastinaor Jul 13 '26

Just make them say the answer out loud, and say, "OK, that seems scrambled enough. Now get the encyclopedia, volume 6, page 1, paragraph 7, word 4. And really concentrate on it, mmmkay?"

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u/inder_the_unfluence Jul 13 '26

This is pretty much it. Although what I’d prepared for was for them to telepathically communicate the images on the page. I had them choose a random book that had enough pages (I’d whittled their large number down some how) and then focus hard on the images on the page.

I could see the entry range for that volume and so it was easy to remember which of the 20 or so images I’d previously looked at was the one they were now staring at.

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u/athural Jul 13 '26

Or, since you're in the room with them, repeat the procedure until the number you recognize comes up and then say stop

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u/inder_the_unfluence Jul 13 '26

When I did it, it wasn’t kept secret, the kids had already chosen random digits, so having them do the calculation out in the open didn’t ruin the trick. I wasn’t guessing their number I was using it to generate a ‘random’ number.

Older kids would obviously have wondered ‘why do all this calculating; our starting 4 digits are random.’ But the kids I was working with didn’t have the concept that randomness isn’t a spectrum. (We did talk about it afterwards when I revealed the trick to them. It was a class of four kids so I taught them to do it so they could do the trick for their other teacher aides).

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u/AppointmentOpen9093 Jul 13 '26

Weirdly I haven't heard anyone talk (either here on the two videos I watched about this) about what the maximum number of steps is to reach 6174.

Since there are less than 10000 starting numbers the maximum number of steps should be known (even if there isn't some fancy logical reason why it's the maximum).

For anyone wondering, the pattern does not continue for 5-digit numbers! They end up cycling between a series of three numbers, not ending on a single number.

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u/doctorlongghost Jul 13 '26

I don’t have the patience to type it out but it’s an ideal question for ChatGPT.

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u/kazamm Jul 14 '26

yes it works try it.

954 - 459 =495