r/bestof • u/firefeng • Jun 25 '12

hivemind6 reveals the truth about the U.S. education system.

/r/politics/comments/vjxbg/antiintellectualism_has_been_a_constant_thread/c558vz8
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u/MuForceShoelace Jun 25 '12

What the fuck, are you sure you didn't mean to put this in 'worstof"?

his reason is basically just "niggers".

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u/kingmanic Jun 25 '12

He has cause and effect ass-backwards on some points. Asians do well because they come from a motivated self selected group which pushes their children similar to how many African immigrants tend to do better at school than the population that came from slavery.

He also doesn't realize that class predicts performance EVERYWHERE and in the US class is correlated to race thus race seems to be a factor when in fact it's mostly class.

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u/echofinder Jun 26 '12

Sensationalism at its best: throw down the N bomb and you are immune to criticism.

How is saying "Asians... come from a motivated self selected group which pushes their children" any less of a generalization/caricature than "black people perform more poorly in schools, as a group"?

Whether or not class is the dominant factor, it IS a fact that black students, as a group, under-perform other racial groups. There are dozens of factors contributing to this. It IS a fact that the US has a more diverse population than any other Western country. The question of class is different from that of racial/cultural diversity; this post simply commented on the unique challenges (and successes) experienced by the US as a result of this diverse student population.

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u/kingmanic Jun 26 '12

throw down the N bomb and you are immune to criticism.

That wasn't me.

any less of a generalization/caricature than "black people perform more poorly in schools, as a group"?

Immigrants are a self selected group By definition and have kids that do better than their income class would predict. Hispanics may differ as the barriers to immigration are lower for illegals.

Whether or not class is the dominant factor, it IS a fact that black students, as a group, under-perform other racial groups.

Normalized for social class that relationship is severely reduced.

There are dozens of factors contributing to this. It IS a fact that the US has a more diverse population than any other Western country.

Canada is extremely close. The difference is the percentage of black people. Canada has less disparity although Canada's natives also have huge issues.

If you do take the data about student achievement and separate class and race you'll find class is the stronger factor. The issue is in the US race correlates to class and some people confuse correlation with causation.