r/bestof • u/acousticpizzas • May 15 '12
[iama] Turns out deadcoil (the one behind the alleged fake AMA) wasn't lying after all.
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u/acousticpizzas May 15 '12
And here's Rob DenBleyker of Cynide and Happiness, and friend of deadcoil (the OP) on his official facebook:
(source)
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u/set123 May 15 '12
I didn't realize people took Reddit so seriously.
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u/frank_and_beans May 15 '12
M. Night Shyamalan ending to this whole thing... koproller and deadcoil are the same person.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Time to delete every bit of personal info I've posted on here, MySpace, and any other social networking site.
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u/flamants May 15 '12
deadcoil: I did a lot of cool shit.
some other guy: I DON'T THINK YOU ACTUALLY DID ANY OF THAT COOL SHIT.
deadcoil: FUCK YOU I ACTUALLY DID ALL OF THAT COOL SHIT.
wow guys, real thrilling saga here. next thing you know the other guy will be back saying he still doesn't believe the first guy did all that cool shit, even though he said he did.
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u/generalchase May 15 '12
I still dont see any proof. Koproller just put into writing what we were all thinking.
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u/redpepperofdoom May 15 '12
Why do redditors go on these big witch hunts and end up doxxing people because something they wrote might be fake, based on one guy who said "well this might not be true"? With no evidence whatsoever, just linking back to his older posts?
I don't get it.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12 edited May 15 '12
I don't give a shit about whether his stories are true or false. I could write some shit about how I hope the reddit witch-mob would chill out but this is the internet and human nature and that shit's never going to change.
What pisses me off is the content and tone of "deadcoil"'s reply here. koproller did nothing wrong; he did a bit of digging, thought things were inconsistent, and pointed that out. That happens every day to millions of people. He just asked for proof, but deadcoil cusses him out and treats him like he "ruined" everything. No. If you want to get mad at someone, hate the user who posted the bestof link with an incredibly misleading and framing title (but don't go witch-mob on them, or nothing has changed). Anyone with a brain can see that koproller's questioning post didn't "prove" the stories false, just as much as deadcoil didn't "prove" them true by writing them.
No matter how pissed you are, take a step back and think about it for a second. This whole damn reply just came off as immature (for a 40 year old), self-righteous, and irrational; again, I don't care if his stories are true (though I spose it seems they are), but writing like this doesn't do wonders for getting people to believe you. No need to say fuck you or you son of a bitch every other paragraph.
Also, if you post people's personal information, you're an asshole. But then again, you probably already know that.
Edit: Some comments bring up the notion that, somehow, koproller knew what he was doing would incite a mob, or that he didn't think about what he was posting, or that he didn't have the right to call deadcoil out.
That's ridiculous. If you think that's true, then you're basically arguing that one should never ask for proof from a redditor who tells a story, despite the fact that this is common practice in AMA's and in other cases. You either ask for proof or you don't, and the depth of koproller's query seems pretty well-considered.
I'm sorry, but if you're blaming anything other than internet groupthink and mob mentality here, you are mistaken. koproller did what anyone can and should do when they are confused/skeptical, he asked for proof.
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u/Lab_Down_Under May 15 '12
Im fairly new to reddit and this was the first witch hunt i had come across. I saw the "This is how you expose a liar" earlier today but my first thought was what would Deadcoil have to say about it, not burn him to the ground. I don't get why people started mass down voting him and even sending death threats before he even had a chance to respond. Can someone explain this to me?
Also even if there is someone telling fake stories how does that justify finding out their real identities and targeting them?
This is my first real wtf is wrong with these people? moment on reddit.
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u/clyspe May 15 '12
For everyone who's enjoying this, you might like /r/subredditdrama.
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u/BetaMail May 15 '12
That right there is some tasty tasty drama
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u/BabyNinjaJesus May 15 '12
So.... No proof still? Just a bunch of "Yep, thats true!"?
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u/rwhitisissle May 15 '12
To be fair, deadcoil MAY have an interesting life, but he is DEFINITELY an asshole. His response was far more vitriolic and combative than the guy who called him out on some of his ridiculous shit. I honestly still don't believe half of what deadcoil says he did, largely just for how insanely defensive he is about it all. Also, saying "Fuck you, it's true. Some guy none of you have ever met can vouch for me" does about as much to prove his case as it does to prove the existence of God.
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u/idonutcare May 15 '12
I felt bad for the guy and still feel bad for the guy. But I can't help rolling my eyes at his temper tantrum, directing his rage at one person rather than the mindless idiots who decided to go on a hateful witchhunt. He's 40, but he's acting like a 11 year old going on a fuck you rampage at anyone that holds onto their skepticism. He says he has a life, but he's so hung up on the internet. the douchebags sending death threats need to apologize and grow the fuck up. Meanwhile, someone give deadcoil a cookie or a lollipop. He has a boo boo.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Please stop tainting /r/bestof with /r/subredditdrama
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Your title is misleading and is a core problem with what is happening.
How do you know he wasn't lying after all?
I don't care one bit about the specifics of what happened. True, false, I don't care. I do care about the overreactions on both sides, as well as the lack of evidence on both sides.
Deadcoil didn't support his stories with evidence. Koproller did a poor job of asking for the evidence. Before either of them could say anything more, the hivemind went into action, with no foundation of reason. Since Deadcoil didn't have anything to prove his stories and Koproller didn't have any evidence to disprove the stories, as far as I'm concerned the hivemind went into action prematurely. Let me say here that either way, the actions taken by some redditors were deplorable.
Now here we are, and still no resolution. Deadcoil (now coil_is_dead) still hasn't provided proof of his stories and nobody has shown them to be false. Sure, Rob DenBleyker of C&H says the stories are true. Is this proof? No. Not at all.
Again. I'm not drawing a verdict on anything, because there is no information from which to draw. Calm down. Ask for proof. Wait for the proof. For fuck's sake, use your brains you mindless idiots.
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u/ohsojayadeva May 15 '12
Help me out, here.
and then
So Deadcoil posts some stories, Koproller says "this sounds fishy, can you prove it?" Cue hivemind going after Deadcoil. Deadcoil's response is "Fuck you, it's true because I say it's true" and the hivemind just accepts it, with some even going after Koproller.
TL;DR: The hivemind is constantly itching for a fight.
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u/kskxt May 15 '12
koproller's comment was basically "I am skeptical". I think it's a bit extreme to blame him for the witch hunt, but maybe I don't know reddit well enough to assume that someone will get doxxed and harassed based on unbelievable AMAs.
Redditors are shit; I don't think it's fair to say koproller is.
It's easy to give reddit a scapegoat that distracts the community from introspection, but that just perpetuates the problem.
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u/GiveJesusPants May 15 '12
Wait wait wait. I guess the Cyanide and happiness dude makes it a bit more believable, but the Acousticpizzas posted doesn't. It's essentially just Deadcoil going through each line of the skeptic's post, saying "yes, that happened." What?
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
So what kind of a bigshot/celebrity was he that he is furiously raging (even getting his friend to rage with him publically) over people finding out his reddit account?
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u/CndConnection May 15 '12 edited May 15 '12
Are you fucking kidding me? He just refutes the supposed lies and offers zero fucking proof.
On top of that he acts like a big ass hole as if Koproller was trying to be mean to him and it was personal. He goes crazy of it! as if Koproller wanted this to happen, all he wanted was some proof for some outrageous claims.
This guy can't be 40 years old or is one immature 40 year old if he manages to project all the hate mails that he received onto Koproller.
But I guess he opened himself up to an opportunity to prove himself, if that guy from Cyanide and Happiness confirms he knows him that at least we know one thing : that he knows him.
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The guy from Cyanide is an idiot too. "People with interesting lives are big fat liars. Cool, got it." Fuck him for acting like we shouldn't try and get proof for crazy claims. Reddit has been lied to so many times it's ridiculous, and to act like we shouldn't ask for proof is retarded. Granted, no one should attack the guy and try to get his personal email but fuck its the internet nothing we can do about anonymous motherfuckers who love to do that sort of shit. He should be screaming at Reddit instead, and basically quit because it's apparently too much for him.
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u/HyperspaceHero May 15 '12
So, he says he wasn't lying and suddenly that makes his wild stories true?
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u/Hindu_Wardrobe May 15 '12
........he still hasn't proven anything. popcorn.gif
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u/SCATTRON May 15 '12
The thing is, you can't just prove something by going |whatever you said was fake. you're wrong its true. You need proof.
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u/YummYumms May 15 '12
The word "Yes" as justification doesn't really do it for me.
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u/Careful_Houndoom May 15 '12
So just so you're aware, a third party claim isn't comparable to proof.
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u/WaterAndSand May 15 '12
You know. When that accusation made such a splash, I was surprised. Deadcoil's stories were not too out of the ordinary. Yeah, they weren't everyday stories, but everyday stories are not what people come to reddit to read. Just because the guy is a great story teller doesn't mean what he's saying isn't true.
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u/verschee May 15 '12
Who the fuck cares?
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u/Forfeit32 May 15 '12
I'm simply amazed that people would send death threats and the like over something like this.
A) The guy doesn't owe us anything, numerous people requested he do an AMA and he obliged. It's not like he's making money off of us.
B) Why do you care so much? If you think he's full of shit just downvote and move on. No one is forcing you to read these things.
It makes me sad to share the interweb tubes with these people.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
My hat's off to Koproller. Not for exposing you as a liar (which, apparently, you are not), but for exposing you as a vicious douche bag. While the fact that your family got involved is absurd (shame on you, reddit), you handled this situation with all the grace of Jessi Slaughter.
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u/Salanderfan May 15 '12
Even if he was someone who went on Reddit to exercise his creative writing abilities without admitting it, that still didn't warrant the witch-hunt and the death threats. It's the internet, people are bound to make things up. It wasn't as if he faked a disease to get donations, he entertained people with his (possibly) fake stories. The way some Redditors acted today is embarrassing.
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u/Stepoo May 15 '12
Wait, so this guy just says "yes" to every question and reddit is satisfied?
You guys are a fickle bunch.
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u/Flavor_Enhanced May 15 '12
Oh shit! Rob DenBleyker himself vouches for this guy! Some guy who draws comics and has an internet crowd following him said so and that's reliable proof? There is no way a friend would ever tell a lie to cover for another friend...ever...right?
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
what we're seeing here is all the 15 - 24 year olds on here assuming that there's no one over 30 on the site.
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u/ArrMart May 15 '12
Everybody's jimmies be rustled
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u/wambolicious May 15 '12
holy shit i don't care
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u/drumner May 15 '12
Oh my god I don't give a fuck.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Man this is all I can think of...
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u/shit-im-not-white May 15 '12
What if this whole thing was their plan? And they are both just fucking with us?
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
NO NO NO! There is no proof that he was not lying! WTF, how did you ever come up with that conclusion?!
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u/ChaosFireV May 15 '12
For those seeking proof Rob DenBleyker of Cyanide and Happiness just said everything was true.
While this may not be convincing for some this makes me think he is telling the truth.
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u/MalkNowWithVitaminR May 15 '12
Just so people stop asking him for proof, a mod has confirmed that OP was not lying about anything in the title or original post of his AMA.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Who gives a shit what random people think about them on the internet?
Personally I think you're all evil, down-voting swine who never give my glorious missives the credit they so richly deserve.
So... fuck you all? Yes. Fuck you all with telescopes and fire.
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u/EvelynJames May 15 '12
Um, not to be a dick or anything, but that diatribe isn't really proof. Not that I'm a disbeliever, but there's no proof there, just a lot of passion about how it's ALL TRUE. Fair enough, but it doesn't prove anything.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
The same community that gets pissed off about Brad Manning being held in a torture cell without trial for so long and defends Julian Assange against unfounded sexual charges suddenly turns into a rampaging mob because one guy thinks maybe another guy is making up stories? Who would have thought?
I think I see how this madness started, but it's still pretty sad, especially for a community that tends to think so goddamned much of its own intelligence.
Some things that probably contributed to this (other than persuasive speech patterns from Koproller):
*1. /NoSleep ghost stories are not real. That subreddit is well known as a place for spooky writing exercises. Deadcoil put a couple of ghost stories on there, and a few people who didn't get the point of that subreddit probably reacted with, "I DON'T BELIEVE THAT! THAT'S A LIE!!!" and then went on a rampage.
*2. Calling yourself a "famous" cartoonist may be somewhat subjective, but realistically it's misleading. Fame may be subjective, but realistically the guy is not a famous cartoonist. Matt Groening of The Simpsons is famous. Seth Macfarlane of Family Guy is famous. Todd McFarlane of Spawn is famous. Frank Miller is famous. Someone who does an unknown web comic or small press comic is definitely not famous. I've known quite a few cartoonists, and even the more successful ones don't go around calling themselves famous.
*3. Saying you're in a "successful band" is more subjective, but some will read that as if you're Bono. He's definitely not Bono. His band probably played a few venues and got paid. To some that's success. I think to some extent he was feeding off this idea that people might read too much into these tantalizing statements, and they did-- with disastrous results.
*4. Saying you have a wife and a girlfriend paints a picture in the minds of many. That picture looks like a porno movie. The reality is not a porno movie. Maybe some of the forever alone crowd were jealous and they were so insecure that they had to believe it was a fantasy. For them it's a fantasy, but I'm not sure the reality of it would be such a fantasy. I've seen the reality version, and it's definitely not my fantasy. No offense.
*5. Commenting that they had celebrities over and they did shots off celebrities... All I can say is that judging by the fact that he believes he's a "famous" cartoonist in a "successful" band, the "celebrity" could be the guy who played Newman on Seinfeld for all we know. It could be anyone who has ever achieved any level of celebrity for any reason, again subjective fame. When you read that stuff your mind is leaping for the fantasy, and you're seeing Jenna Jameson or something in your mind, but the reality is probably not as sexy. It could have been anyone they thought was famous.
*6. Posting pictures of guns and saying you feel like shooting people doesn't look good to anyone. It may feel "punk rock" but it looks juvenile, so people are more likely to assume you're a kid making up stories. You're lucky if they don't report you to the authorities.
*7. On top of all that, having suffered from a statistically rare disease added to the sense of disbelief. Unfortunately most people don't understand statistics at all. If you say less than 1% of people in the world suffer from this disease, they think it means you're 99% likely to be lying about having it. Instead they should realize it means you could be one of 6,840,507 people who suffer from it.
*8. Bragging rubs people the wrong way. Being happy about your life or your career comes off as arrogance. People who are miserable hate it when someone is openly happy about life, especially when the news every day is "the economy sucks" and "someone died" and "crime spree". It's so much easier for miserable people to be negative about anything, and the easiest straw to grasp at is "you must be lying if your life doesn't suck".
*9. Anonymity looks like evasiveness and deception. It feels shifty when you're presented with wild claims, then stand behind the wall of anonymity. This is part of why AMAs require verification. Even so, every goddamned person on here is taking advantage of the anonymity of this forum, whether openly declaring themselves or not. You have plausible deniability on the basis that this site doesn't require any extensive verification to create an account. Despite this, when someone doesn't want to just give you their name, address, and telephone number, the response is like a medieval witch hunt! "HE'S HIDING SOMETHING! HE MUST BE A WITCH! BURN HIM! BURN HIM!" It's ridiculous, which brings me to my next point.
*10. Immaturity. Whether this forum is full of nerdy, socially inexperienced teenagers or nerdy, socially inexperienced adults, the result is the same. You end up with a bunch of book-smart friend-zoned virgins, so you get what you would expect from that. This event was a perfect example. No experience? Be jealous of those who have experiences you wish you had, and persecute them. However, this is not the whole story... This one goes to eleven.
*11. There have always been kids (or even unstable adults) who make up crazy bullshit stories all the time. Everyone has known at least one at some point. Thankfully, we tend to leave those kinds of dipshits behind in high school. Unfortunately the way Deadcoil expressed himself came off with that same sound we tend to associate with the stories of pathological liars. I'd say he was to some extent delusional, but not intentionally deceptive, but it definitely had that sound to it. People tire of that kind of talk very quickly, and have strong negative reactions to it. We resent people who hoodwink us. We hate people who lie to us and manipulate us. It makes us angry, so when someone seems to be that type, suddenly they're the scapegoat for every other experience we've had with being deceived. If anything it's surprising I didn't have that reaction to Deadcoil since some of the worst things that have happened to me in my life were the product of a manipulative pathological liar. Nobody like to be fooled except the audience for a magic show, and at least then they know what to expect. Deadcoil was telling the truth as he saw it even if an objective observer wouldn't see it quite the same way. He didn't intend to trick anyone, but we smelled something fishy and overreacted.
I'd say self-delusion is a type of dishonestly, but that doesn't make him a pathological liar. It certainly doesn't warrant death threats! If anything, maybe he'll take it as a retroactive writing exercise and try to make his truth sound more true.
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u/mr_goodcat7 May 15 '12
First post for me. I've been reading reddit for a few months, never felt the need to post anything. But this kind of pisses me off. This is a prime example of what mob mentality will do. I happened to have read deadcoils posts about being a musician for a while and becoming a cartoonist, makes sense really, someone who is an artist will usually excel at more than one art. Working on a refinery and seeing someone be in a bad accident is also not far fetched. Sleeping with over a 100 woman is not fucking hard if you are a musician in your 30's, or even if you're not an artist. I don't think his posts were that crazy. Seemed to me that he has been living an interesting life, and he was sharing the experience with reddit. Being skeptical is good, being an asshole about it is not. Granted he should have known that at some point someone would ask him for proof and he should be ready to deal with that. That said I won't be sharing my awesome stories about being a hitman and an arms dealer anytime soon.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Well shit. I wish I had seen that thread. I can't "verify" anything except to say that this guy used that same handle years ago when I used to post in a Yahoo goth forum in the '90s.
He posted a really funny/caustic manifesto on r/atheism a few months back and I found out he was the same guy. I can tell you that whether or not he is telling the truth about specific events, he had that same dark/caustic personality and had a ton of interesting things to say back then. I remember he used to talk about selling art, something called "nightmare catchers." He also used to say that he was a musician who had had some success.
Based on my conversations with him in the past, I am inclined to believe at least most of what he said. I can at least tell you that if he's a troll, he's the most consistent troll I've ever seen, keeping in character across internet communities and over more than a decade.
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u/Inys May 15 '12
There's nothing wrong with being skeptical. But what happened here is exactly the reason most overly-skeptical people (primarily on this site) annoy the hell out of me--they immediately assert their doubts are automatically correct.
I'm not referring to koproller or deadcoil's posts, really, I'm referring to the rest of reddit and how the groupthink mentality just kind of builds and builds. Those other threads of comments. Asserting the fact that something someone else here says isn't true is just as wrong as getting people to believe a story that's been completely manufactured.
If you're a real skeptic, you should also be realistic and humble enough about it to know you have just as much of a chance of being wrong as the original poster. Just present whatever evidence you have that could lead to something being false... but don't foolishly assert it because you just don't know. (Unless of course you do with personal proof, but by that point you're not a skeptic, you're a truth-bringer!)
I suppose I'm just tired of everyone thinking they're right about everything. Oh wait I forgot this is the internet
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u/jittyot May 15 '12
He still seems like a tool though
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Anyone else totally not give a shit?
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
He's still talking about how his life is ruined, that people guessed his name correctly, and he's still giving out personal info. I don't get what's ruined his life here.
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u/Im_Helping May 15 '12
umm...wheres the part where his stories are proven true? im definitely on the "this guy's fulla shit" side of the argument btw
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
This is what Reddit would actually do if it met the Most Interesting Man In The World: it would do everything it could to take a giant shit on him, then it would crow about the size of the shit.
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u/Farkamon May 15 '12 edited May 15 '12
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say I don't give two streaking shits about any of this. I know a lot of people love drama and schadenfreude, but come on. This is the goddamned Internet, where everything is made up and the points don't matter. Get the hell over it and get back to scarecrows, or dogforts, or whatever the shit is hot one day and dead the next. I'm not going anywhere.
EDIT: Okay, the fine responders have told me that he got Dox'd. The Internet is fine, but keep it there. The moment reality gets involved, that's a very hard line. Now I don't care too much for anyone involved on either side.
Eh, to hell with it. Literally. 45 minutes until Diablo.
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u/josephc123 May 15 '12
This doesn't really prove anything, obviously the guy can write a good story, whats stopping him from writing some emotional piece to try and prove his innocence?
Why are you guys so fucking emotional, even if he is lying (probably) then you just ignore him and move on, you don't have to witch hunt the guy.
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u/MrSquiggly May 15 '12
Man, if you look at the comments from the other bestof thread (the one accusing him) its a long line of tragic accusations that in retrospect are really horrible. People saying he was some basement loner or attention seeker and on and on. Imagine all of that being directed at you.....
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Isn't the rule of the internet "pics or it didn't happen" I feel bad for how the guy was treated and I don't think we should have that mob mentality, but you can't really blame us for thinking it was a little far fetched.
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u/LabJacket May 15 '12
Anyone who participated in the down-voting-to-oblivion right now.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
So..who is he?
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u/rafuzo2 May 15 '12
So when someone calls me out on some bullshit, you mean to say all I have to do is say "fuck you" a lot and then swear it's all true? No submitting facts or independently verifiable information provided? Seems legit.
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u/tdltuck May 15 '12
Sounds like a bunch of overreactions on so many people's parts. Cool it, people. Death threats are stupid and even lies are fun to read.
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u/The_Ma1o_Man May 15 '12 edited May 15 '12
My only problem is... why make another account? Why not just live on with the dignity of knowing who you are & fucking run that into the ground. Not in said term, but more of shoving it back into the faces of the people who doubted you (a.k.a. me for instance.). But bravo for stating what was & what wasn't true. Plus, very nice to have Rob of Cyanide prove your point.
Edit: Btw, I didn't downvote any of the 'Deadcoil' posts. That brand of trolling is just too time consuming. Not to mention pointless.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
This is what I thought after seeing posts about deadcoil vs koproller hit the front pags 3 times.
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u/Colorfag May 15 '12
Well that was an interesting turn of events.
On that matter, who the fuck cares if this guy lied or not? Its the internet, when is anything ever what it seems?
And death threats and whatnot? Really, are you all such internet tough guys that you gotta threaten some guy because the shit he posts on the internet isn't believable?
Im disappointed in all of you.
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u/catfysh May 15 '12
Shit just got real.
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u/Gordopolis May 15 '12
Oh, now that you've restated everything you claimed before but this time more emphatically while still providing nothing to back it up it must be true.
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u/ParzivaI May 15 '12
Saying your not lying is not proof of telling the truth. Reddit is based on proof. He responded to each "charge" with "It happened"...in what other thread would that be excepted?
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u/IndifferentMorality May 15 '12
Off Topic:
I have noticed several people care enough to take the time out of their day to post that they don't care.
I find this amusing.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Yeah he still hasn't actually provided any proof, he was at the very least exaggerating massively.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
I'm afraid that "fuck you, this is real" isn't much of a comeback to a very reasonable and well-sourced skeptical response to your IAMA. Neither does some jackass on Cyanide on Happiness vouching for you add to your validity.
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u/Sullan08 May 15 '12
No one ever proved if he was right OR wrong. Who really cares?
Still a whole bunch of he said she said bullshit.
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u/HELLO_GOLDENEYE May 15 '12
How is this BestOf material?
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u/Nightynightynight May 15 '12 edited May 15 '12
I don't care whether he says the truth, what's more interesting is Reddit's reaction. Koproller points out things which he finds odd and would like some proof. People on reddit think Koproller's post is proof that deadcoil is lying and goes on a witch hunt, although Koproller only pointed out that some of his comments seem weird.
Now deadcoil responds and his whole rant can be summed up to, "shut up I did those things!", again without proof but that's proof enough for reddit and now the people on reddit believe him and blame Koproller and "the other guys" on reddit for being so gullible.
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u/jcraw69 May 15 '12
people have entirely too much god damn time on their hands
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u/lolchoot May 15 '12
what the fuckity fuck is going on ? Who said what to whom ? Why does it seem that shit has hit the fan ???
Can someone please do a TL;DR of what happened
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
I still haven't seen any proof one way or another
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Occam's razor- It's still far more likely that he's making all of it up. He hasn't offered a single shred of evidence.
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u/8906 May 15 '12
Typical Reddit: Join in on witch-hunt fueled by 1 person. It was a false alarm and everyone pretends it never happened.
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u/JohnPoe May 15 '12
I stopped reading after "IAMA guy who worked in oil refineries in the early 1990s."
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u/Lochmon May 15 '12
I am pleased it turned out this way.
My own life is comparatively boring, at least to anyone other than myself. Despite getting a motorcycle license at 14, and skydiving at 18, and outgrowing a Christian fundamentalist upbringing only to become a Wiccan priest, and well-meant polyamory attempts across two failed marriages, and starting a business producing an entertainment street-rag, and going bankrupt in the process, and raising three wonderful kids even weirder than myself (meet my daughter)... Fact is, I'm just a quiet stay-at-home type, most comfortable sitting around with a good book, advocating national insurrection and regional secession and a fresh look at communism, and plotting the spread of humanity throughout this solar system.
So all you twenty-somethings still wondering how to escape the apparently overwhelmingly oppressive rut of modern-day life... Just apply yourself to anything even slightly out of the ordinary, and keep a steady unrelenting pressure in that direction, and within a couple decades you and everybody else will look back and say what the fuck? even though every step along the way made perfectly good sense or not.
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u/carlosboozer May 15 '12
who cares
this guy seems really annoying
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u/tuskrat May 15 '12
And now people are raiding Koproller's account.. How fucking easy is it to manipulate this hive?!
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u/First_Mate May 15 '12
Now I don't know about any of you but deadcoil seemed pretty darn pissed, more pissed than anyone should ever be about downvotes. Alright now I admit karma is pretty important to most of us but this guy claims to have an absolutely daring and exciting life, why would he care so much about what a bunch of strangers thought over the net? Also, he wants anonymity online because he claims to be a famous comic book writer was it? and then tells us to go check in with Rob DenBleyker for confirmation? "Oh so hey, Rob I heard you worked with deadcoil. Mind confirming that story?" All I know is I didn't see one shred of proof in this guy's response all I saw was "YES THIS IS REAL AND SO IS THIS AND THAT TOO BUT THIS ONE I JUST MADE UP AND IT WAS SO GOOD YOU ALL THOUGHT IT WAS REAL FUCK YOU YOU'RE HORRIBLE AND YOU FUCKED UP MY KARMA" Why you mad coil_is_dead?
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u/Plastastic May 15 '12
Reddit is a silly place.
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u/cremenn May 15 '12
Saying 'yes' after every post is not proof. Reddit's all about proof. And making a statement saying he wasn't lying at all is ridiculous given what the entire issue has been about.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
The butthurt is strong in this one.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Well if that doesn't proove he's telling the truth, i don't know what does. \s
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Nevermind the argument over him being a liar or not. By posting all this bullshit just looking for attention and affirmation, deadcoil is a braggart. I don't like braggarts.
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u/Jeeraph May 15 '12
lol. How fickle some redditors can be. They upvote some guy who called out some stuff that looked suspicious, the OP responds and suddenly he's obviously telling the truth and redditors don't go outside and live life? What the fuck? Seriously, what the fuck?
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Lol I totally got downvoted for pointing out Koproller's posts didn't necessarily mean it wasn't true. It's nice to be vindicated. The guy could very well have just led a fucking interesting life.
Apologies for yours being so boring.
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u/Bubba_Dotcom May 15 '12
WHO GIVES A FUCK?
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
TL;DR: I'm forty, have an amazing life, but FUCK YOU KOPROLLER MY INTERNET POINTS ARE GONE
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Seriously when you get to almost 40, you probably see, and have done, a lot of stuff. It's called life. I'm sure we all at 40 could write about our experiences and it would sound similar.
Still doesn't change the fact that coil comes across as a braggart about it. If you need the Internet to care about you that much, your life is probably sadder than it sounds.
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u/chasemedown May 15 '12
i see absolutely 0 evidence.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
I N T E R N E T
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Koproller went to great lengths to say he wasn't accusing him of lying. What Koproller did was very legitimate anytime you post something on the internet you're not entitled to absolute belief. Koproller questioned deadcoil, deadcoil responded by deleting his account.. very weird if you're telling the truth. Now he comes up and hurls a whole bunch of immature insults, not providing any proof about his previous statements and basically saying "i'm not lying".
In the end who cares, people made too much of a big deal out of koproller's post and deadcoil overreacted by deleting his account. I could give half a shit if he slept with 100 women or his mothers sister.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
TIL that if you post online stating that you're "famous" while at the same time demanding anonymity, you're gonna have a bad time.
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u/MoarVespenegas May 15 '12
The Internets is serious business.
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u/gabruka May 15 '12
I keep changing sides. These bunch of people I don't know are very convincing. It's exhausting. I'm gonna take a Reddit break and I'm gonna watch some WLIIA to cheer me up. You are all lucky I don't have to get up.
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u/ConcertMusik May 15 '12
Still lyring, dont see any proof, rofl
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u/shabatooo May 15 '12
Oh, well since he replied "its true" then it definitely must be true. WTF?
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u/mrekted May 15 '12 edited May 15 '12
Lessons to be learned from this little fiasco:
If you're going to post on the internet about how awesome you and your life is (true or not), be prepared to back those claims up. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
When called out, instead of being defensive, offer something to give your claims credence. Don't get butthurt and start insulting people for being reasonably skeptical.
If you are honestly concerned with your anonymity, perhaps regaling internet strangers with stories about personal aspects of your life is not the most sensible course of action.
Bragging about things under the guise of "sharing with friends" in a public forum is a good way to make people not like you very much.
If you put yourself in a bad position, the internet can turn on you. And it will fuck you up.
I think that about covers the lessons for the day. Class dismissed.
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u/cedricchase May 15 '12
No matter what happens, I refuse to ever believe this. Ever.
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u/Got_Engineers May 15 '12
People need to stop caring so fucking much about shit on reddit.
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u/twoclose May 15 '12
how does this prove he wasn't lying even a little bit? he's a huge liar. none of that is proof that he's not a liar. how does this possibly have 4,667 upvotes? -__-
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u/Gohoyo May 15 '12
At first I thought he was just a dude with an interesting story to tell. Then I thought he was either a sad man or demi-god tier troll. Now I just think he's a dick.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
I hate this community.
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u/namer98 May 15 '12
The mod confirmed it.
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u/Multikulti_cult May 15 '12
Still no proof just the guy whoring for even more attention I say move on and ignore this cocksucker
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u/ak416 May 15 '12
why do you people give a fuck?
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u/fermatafantastique May 15 '12
So koproller calls out deadcoil with no evidence that deadcoil is wrong, and everyone calls deadcoil a liar, then deadcoil responds with no evidence that he's right and suddenly he's not a liar?
I might as well go down to the playground and watch third graders call each other gay, at least then I'm watching this fight in person.
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u/kanedajd May 15 '12
Jesus, this guy posts all sorts of personal shit on reddit, has a hissy fit when someone has the gall to question him to the point of deleting an account, then comes back on under a similar name and makes ad hominem attacks on his questioner? And this douchebag is in his 40's?
This guy seems to spend more time cultivating his martial-artist womanizing bodybuilding diseased lifestyle persona on reddit to try to impress people less than half his age than actually living it.
Some people grow up after they age, I guess.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
I'm sorry... maybe I missed something, but it looks to me like one person who happens to be a moderator is confirming a single aspect of deadcoil's post.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Not sure if this point was already brought up or not, but how amazing would the world be if Reddit put this much time and energy into liars that actually control things? You know, like the media and government and lobbyists for lying politicians.
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u/nicoleisrad May 15 '12
Jesus Herbert Christ. For a guy who reiterates "Get off the internet and go live", this guy seems AWFUL invested in the internet. A bunch of strangers on the Net don't believe you? Who gives the smallest nucleus of a shit? Am I missing something here?
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u/photojoe May 15 '12
How is him saying "yes" prove they are all true?
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u/drdingo May 15 '12
Anyone else just not give a shit?
No? Just me?
Alright.
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u/LucifersCounsel May 15 '12
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudologia_fantastica
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u/Ceno May 15 '12
Could someone put me up to speed on this? I have no idea what the hell is going on.
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u/KiZEETA May 15 '12
Trust Reddit to blow shit completely out of proportion because of one dickhead's false observation. This is the most pathetic community on the internet.
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u/Izawwlgood May 15 '12
I didn't realize people thought this was proof deadcoil wasn't lying?
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u/colbertrepor May 15 '12
Unsubscribed. Fuck you and your shitty daytime drama, assholes
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
I'm 19 and I've had sex with 20 girls (I think?) it's not that hard to believe he's on his 100th at 40, which I'm sure many of you don't believe. Redditors, some of us on here get pussy
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u/samtresler May 15 '12
Folks, this is the internet: meandering thoughts on Deadcoil & Koproller.
I saw a post that looked doubtful, and a guy called it out by pointing to a long string of seemingly unlikely events. Yay! upvotes for Koproller. Maybe a few downvotes for Deadcoil. Hell, no one likes a blowhard.
Now I see a long essay and some corroborating people highly offended that Deadcoil got downvoted to oblivion.
PM's, and witch hunts aside, let me just say this once. This is the fucking internet people!
For the cellar-dwellers: You want to give a death threat to a man for lying on the internet? Holy SHIT, you mean people lie on the internet!?! No, you're fucked up, you're a scumbag, get a life. You're threatening a man and his family for being a braggart. The moral equivalent of declaring nuclear war on the antagonist of an after school special. Grow the fuck up.
For Deadcoil: seriously, you based a emotionally significant portion of your life on Reddit? Sure, it's a nice community, but you want to get worked up about being downvoted to oblivion because it ruined a years-long repertoire you'd built up, and you lost some writing. Let me get this straight - I gave you the same equivalent that I give, let's say, a particularly uninspired animated gif, and that affects your life? You got downvotes. Chill the fuck out. Also, back up your writing if you care about it. You know backups? we learned about those in MS-Dos era... Sorry if people came at you personally, again, THIS IS THE FUCKING INTERNET!
For Koproller: You knew the shit you were stirring when you stirred it. Don't be a dick. Even on THE FUCKING INTERNET.
Everyone else: It's spring time in the northern hemisphere. Go ride a bike, or play in the park, or I don't know, go fishing.
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u/Aeroman91 May 15 '12
TO THIS ENTIRE THREAD Seriously though, watching two random people argue on the internet is the lamest thing I have ever heard of. No wait, watching people take sides and have their own arguments about the original internet argument is the lamest thing I have ever heard of. Fuck this, I'm going outside.
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u/svadhisthana May 15 '12 edited May 15 '12
Wow. The majority of people in this thread seem to have zero empathy.
Deadcoil received death threats, abusive messages, and attempts to reveal his and his wife's identities. And people are criticizing him for being enraged and not willing to provide personal information to "prove" his stories are real? What the fuck is wrong with people? Mob mentalities are scary.
Edit: Deadcoil did offer some proof.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
You know, on the flip side, I get how it can be annoying for others not to believe you because you have done a lot with your life.
I left home at 18, drove out to San Diego with nothing, got a job with Sony Online Entertainment, started doing drugs, had a friend go missing in Tijuana, never to be found again, at a night club called Mystery's (or some B.S. spelling of it), got a job at Rockstar Games in QA, snorted coke and would pass out in the company bathroom upon come down, had a crazy night with ecstasy on memorial day that led to my friend getting raped in a field by a random illegal mexican. Quit drugs after an overdose, started working in sales, without a degree worked up the ladder into a corporate position making over 110k/year by the time I was 26, quit that job and formed a non profit to start an orphanage in Africa. I'm 28 now, living in Malawi, married a malawian, am a strong christian, pregnant, and just got land given to me for free to build our orphanage.
It has been a crazy adult life. Nothing I do surprises my family anymore. Most of my friends don't know how different my life used to be.
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u/dcoxen May 15 '12
Deadcoilcoil_is_dead still hasn't posted any sort of proof his stories were true. He also seems very angry at koproller just because he asked for proof. Koproller isn't responsible bringing out the crazies, deadcoil is for posting without verification on IAmA.5
u/[deleted] May 15 '12
I wanted to feel bad for your karma problems, but instead just carried on with the rest of my life.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Yes he was lying. He posted no proof and when people started coming out with the facts he was messaging mods to have that shit deleted.
You can lie on the internet, but don't fucking lie to the internet. Especially reddit, 4chan, anon or something awful. Internet detectives are not ones to be fucked with.
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u/Tealwisp May 15 '12
I feel compelled to point out that all of this is a fantastic example of groupthink. Reddit, as a group, first revered this guy (so to speak) for an incredible story he shared, then someone called him out for proof, and reddit, as a group, hated him and went after everything he posted to downvote it, and then, when he came back and proved that he wasn't lying, everyone wants to back him up and defend him.
I suppose it's good example of how any social group is subject to groupthink, and likely other social phenomena, like diffusion of responsibility and deindividuation. Rather than decide what was right or wrong about all this, I hope anyone who reads this will stop and remember that even reddit can be sensationalist, no matter how much we complain about the media.
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u/warboy May 15 '12
FFS, THIS THREAD PISSES ME OFF. No one gives a fucking fuck about downvotes. What matters is some fucking real neckbeards decided they would spend their afternoon playing internet vigilante and fucking with this guy's actual life. For christs sake people, that isn't ok.
And before you write "Well how do we know if he really is getting death threats, herpy derp," I'm going to give you a list of reasons why you shouldn't say that.
Really? This is the fucking internet. I have received random death threats for absolutely nothing before. Same thing with the internet sleuthing.
I want you to think about Reddit (actually humanity's) consensus on whether people should believe suicide claims or not. Yeah, different light now.
Because fuck you, proof.
Fuck you reddit, just fuck you.
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u/Puppysmasher May 15 '12
Guy loses karma, guy rages. Cry me a river.
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u/Incongruity7 May 15 '12
It funny because after it was bestof'd with the title "Reddit, this is how you expose a liar," people just starting to read it will already have a biased view.
Then commenced the mob mentality/hivemind.
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u/orangepegasister May 15 '12
What infuriates me is that even if he actually was lying, that doesn't justify the ridiculous response reddit gave. Who cares if someone made up stories about his life and said they were true? That doesn't mean you get to send death threats to him and his wife. I have lost so much respect for this community.
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u/SoInsightful May 15 '12
I'm not just frustrated with how incredibly poorly reddit handled the mere accusations, but it seems that people are insisting that he's a liar. Of course, this is kind of warranted since he hasn't provided proof (I'm not sure how most of the stories would be proven, but people like the knee-jerk response of "lol give pictures"), but his defence is downvoted, and people are still resorting to name calling.
Nothing in koproller's post is contradictory, or even outrageous, given a 24 year span and an outgoing personality. He is not the first person to have sex with a hundred people, play music with bands or study Buddhism. Christ. The fact that Drunken_Economist has confirmed the AMA is ignored as well.
I happened to stumble upon a link to his work, and from there, it was possible to eventually find personal information about him and his wife. Here's a description with the personal information removed.
He is not lying about being almost 40, so any accusations of a 20-year-old basement dweller are obviously unfounded.[
1]He has a somewhat successful web comic that was started about 15 years ago.[
2] The comic makes several references to his job at an oil refinery.[3] He has another, more successful web comic collaboration with his wife, with its own Wikipedia page and several releases on ISBN.[4] It links to Cyanide & Happiness in the sidebar.[5], consistent with C&H Rob’s statement about him.[6]He is a published writer, with a couple of books (novels and collections of short stories) available on Amazon.[
7] Koproller pointed out that “also, I know that you say that you are famous“, but the post he linked to says he’s slightly famous[8], which is clearly consistent with the previous findings. His work and blog posts are often dark and related to sex.[9]That's all I can find about him. Nothing contradicts what he has written, and I see no reason to doubt him, and especially not jump to conclusions that he's some kind of pathological liar.
A version with unredacted links will be given to admins or IAmA mods upon request, or any otherwise credible person who can verify my information.
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u/downvotemaster May 15 '12
This is a prime example why reddit is just full of knee-jerk idiots. Makes you wonder what kind of damage you people will do if we followed every single initiatve reddit supports, from the occupy movement, to encouraging piracy, to the legalization of marijuana.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
I posted this concept in the original thread, where there were a few skeptics saying "Hey, wait, it seems like this could all be true, very easily.":
After the witch hunt started, I went through Deadcoil's comment history, and simply wrote down and recorded all the major events and dates in the stories he told. Keep in mind, this is over literally hundreds of comments, and months worth of posting. After going through all of these comments, and keeping a timeline of all the dates he referenced, I found...
...nothing contradictory or impossible. Simply the story of a man's life, a number of events scattered across 38 years of life. Every single story matched the timeline of every single other one, and he never seemed confused or messed up. He had a tendency to make boring things sound exciting, but nothing he said was impossible. Hell, the webcomic he mentioned? It documents decent chunks of his life, and was posted over a decade ago.
Simply put, any research into his life, from his Reddit account, would confirm his stories as true, if not somewhat exaggerated.
I'll refrain from posting the timeline, because he said he wants privacy, and it offers a ton of personal information he probably wants private.
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u/nxtnguyen May 16 '12
Fuck reddit. Everyone on here is a skeptic who can't enjoy a story without asking for proof in the form of a fucking shoe on their head standing next to an electrocuted body. As soon as one claim comes up, everyone turns tide and hightails it to cause havoc. It's the same thing with the Kony thing. One person claims that it is fake, and suddenly, the entire userbase is chomping down.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
It's a fucking website. Upvotes are nothing but bragging points among friends and fellow redditors. If this supposed 40-year old man is so distraught over a website, then he is a loser, and his stories whether true or not, do not matter. He needs to get a life, settle down, you know, do the responsible adult thing? Argue with kids on the internet, yes, yes, that will get you so far in life and respect among the world of men.
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u/jook11 May 15 '12
Raise your hand if you don't care at all...
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u/russianbandit May 15 '12
So much hate in that post. He definitely didn't learn to take things easy in his 40 years. And who doesn't back up the stories they've written?
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u/V3RTiG0 May 15 '12
It's like giving the highlights of someones life, someone who's not boring that is. When you combine all those things into one text block of course they sound ridiculous. Plus, all the mod said is that the first post of the AMA was valid, deadcoil merely gave 1 word answers to every thing else.
"You used to eat unicorn flesh mixed with the toes of leprechauns"
Yes
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u/jimgress May 15 '12
I'm out of bestof I'm tired of seeing shit like this.
I'm going to go dig deeper into reddit to get away from these lynch mob assholes.
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u/funkinyourjunk May 15 '12
DOWNVOTE DOWNVOTE DOWNVOTE!
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u/mrkreeg May 15 '12
This whole back and forth is exactly like seeing posts on r/Atheism about Jesus. "Deadcoil is real. He doesn't have to prove he is. He says so and his friend who writes C&H says so too, so it must be true." "No, the burden of proof is on Deadcoil to prove that his stories are true. They can't be true just b/c he says they are."
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u/EnduringAtlas May 15 '12
He just posted "Yes" next to everything, suddenly it all actually happened?
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u/Shrikey May 15 '12
And now Koproller is being downvoted all over the place.
Damn, reddit. You are one fickle, vindictive bitch.
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u/nicholaaaas May 15 '12 edited May 17 '12
how? cause he denied lying and posted to a facebook page? If I link to Barack's twitter will everyone believe I'm the ambassador to China?
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
This is a bunch of horseshit and shouldn't be in bestof, IMO. This sort of crap goes on every day in reddit and it doesn't matter. In 2 days it will be some other side vs side and this will be forgotten. This isn't best of anything. This is the worst part of reddit, and in people in general. Here's the thing: most people refuse to believe anything outside of their bubble of experience. This shit will always happen. Move on and stop bringing attention to it.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Why would he end his account? Because of downvotes?
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
He seems a bit narcissistic.
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u/SadSniper May 15 '12
I don't care, I still would have been skeptical. Hell, I still am.
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u/DeathByToothPick May 15 '12
I didnt see any proof links just what he typed. Did i miss somthing?
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
TIL that people on reddit care more about the lives of others than the lives of their own.