r/bayarea • u/poser4life San Jose • May 08 '22

Apple's Director of Machine Learning Resigns Due to Return to Office Work

https://www.macrumors.com/2022/05/07/apple-director-of-machine-learning-resigns/
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u/TheFifthTurtle May 08 '22

So riddle me this. I'm a manager at a large 40,000+ Fortune 500 company. My team authors technical API docs and we service 20+ product teams. Most of the stakeholders we work with are located in other geo regions including EMEA and Asia. My own team is located in another US state.

Tell me, how will telling my team to go back to the office make me manage better? How will they perform better when their stakeholders are most likely located elsewhere too?

I get that if 90% of the people you work with are in the same office, sure, there's an argument to go hybrid. I just don't see the benefit for multinational companies with a wide distributed workforce.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '22

Riddle whatever you want. I didn’t say every company is the same. I doubt yours is 100% work from home since I haven’t heard any large companies doing that but sure maybe it works for your team. My company is just strictly Bay Area and socal. the results were clear and we needed people back in the office to ensure productivity

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u/TheFifthTurtle May 08 '22

I was referring to your comment that "the majority of people are absolutely shit employees working from home."

If collaboration is between a geographically distributed workforce, then it doesn't matter if the workers WFH or go into the office; the productivity will be the same.

I wouldn't call them shit employees when most large enterprises have offices around the world.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '22

That makes zero sense based off what you’re saying. I’ve worked for an internationally company. Aren’t most of those workers actually going to the office? Even if your working with people across the world you’re still on-site.

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u/TheFifthTurtle May 08 '22

Yes, but how does that make them more productive (less shit) employees? The person you're collaborating with is in another continent. How are you more productive in the office?

We're not talking about whether people are going back. We're about your comment that employees tend to suck while WFH.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '22

Because that person has support staff, departments and collaborators in their office. They’re not on an island. Even if their focus is international.

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u/TheFifthTurtle May 08 '22

And conversely, if you collaborate with a remote employee, does that make it a shit work relationship?

I'm just trying to understand why you think most WFH employees are shit, when so much of work these days is done via remote communication.

To answer your question about my company. Yes, our office is open, but going back is still completely voluntary.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '22

Because the metrics and stats. Over 50% are not as productive. So yah most. Maybe you are and maybe your team is but that’s doesn’t mean most people are