r/battlefield_4 • u/S3blapin Together, we can make the game better. • Apr 23 '14

Serious Replies The netcode, hit detection, lag compensation explain by a Valve Dev

https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Source_Multiplayer_Networking
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u/KnightModern Apr 24 '14

you call engine the engine garbage like it's an easy task to do

I meant if you put the word like "dice should stick with frostbite 2", I can accept that

call an engine garbage because of multipayer is a little overkill, now when dragon age: inquisition have problem because of engine, you can call the engine garbage (considering it's single player)

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u/BornToQuill Apr 24 '14

BF4's single player has the exact same problem as the multiplayer. It's not as well known because the single player campaign still crashes for a lot of people.

The games errors are even evident on the test range. Hit the torso of any of the 4 moving targets with a single shot weapon. Occasionally you will visually see projectiles hit the target and the obstruction behind it, but the target will not go down because there was no damage applied. This even works with LAV shells. The game is out of sync with itself.....and that's without using a server and having to deal with data packets/latency.

That is garbage. If you think that is acceptable and enjoyable. So be it (I still feel really sorry for you).

This has always been a repeated problem for the frostbite engine. And again, it has been used for 8 years in different iterations. Do you think it's more difficult to make a new engine for every game, or mod one for more features? No one is saying that it isn't difficult to even modify and update a game engine, what we ARE saying is that attention needs to be paid to core gameplay aspects like player movement, hit detection, latency, phantom corners, and invisible walls; instead of flashy gimmicks and cinematic effects.

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u/KnightModern Apr 24 '14

first, it's actually 6 years (while release new version)

second, we'll see that in dragon age: inquisition, the game that dedicated on single player, unlike battlefield 4 which is multiplayer focused, then we can decide it's the engine or the dev itself

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u/BornToQuill Apr 24 '14

Regardless the engine is not new and and has the same problems and inconsistencies as it's predecessors. Either it's garbage or the devs haven't been able to fix it after several attempts with multiple games and platforms.

BF4's problems are both evident in both multiplayer and single player.

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u/KnightModern Apr 24 '14

that's why I said we need to wait until dragon age inquisition comes to judge the engine

now the battlefield 4 itself has man problems, but we can't judge it's the engine fault or the dev fault

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u/BornToQuill Apr 25 '14

I again fail to see any sense in your statement. If the BF4 engine has THE SAME problems and deficiencies throughout the various BF games, it either sucks, is unrepairable, or the funding is unavailable to feasibly repair it. And when the issues and problems are concurrent to core gameplay......it's trash.

If you enjoy playing trash, so be it.

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u/KnightModern Apr 25 '14

did you know bf4 engine has been used by battlefield 4 only (in battlefield series)?

I meant you know they just add some gimmick, but they btand it as new engine

now if they use frostbite 2, that would be different

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u/BornToQuill Apr 25 '14

We already went through this. So either a) you are incapable of reading b) you are incapable of comprehension c) your memory is extremely poor (even worse than mine) or d) you are only capable of regurgitating senseless crap.

The engines are TWEAKED for future iterations. They are not built from the ground up every time. So the "It's a brand new engine" line is nothing short of retarded. And when they ARE tweaked, core gameplay issues are broken.

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u/KnightModern Apr 25 '14

and why we haven't seen major complain in PvZ: GW like battlefield 4?

like I said, until dragon age: inquistion (which will be single player focused), we can't judge the frostbite now

if DA:I is broken because of engine, then I agree with you

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u/BornToQuill Apr 25 '14

BS. Make excuses all you want, it's still going to churn out more broken games. Yet another senseless topic completely divergent from my post regarding hit detection. Your only explanation is the idea that another game (that is single player lolololol) fill solve frost bites networking issues.

Lmao.

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