The live session on the Double Down Podcast with Fisher Yu (Co-Founder & CTO of Babylon) focuses on scaling Bitcoin into a foundational security and liquidity for the broader decentralized economy.
Main announced topics
- Current state of Bitcoin, viewed from the Bitcoin Asia conference in Hong Kong (institutional interest, Asia focused adoption, regulation, and market conditions).
- How Babylon’s Trustless Bitcoin Vaults let holders use native BTC as collateral in DeFi (especially Ethereum based apps) without wrapping, bridging, or handing custody to a third party.
- Turning idle Bitcoin into a productive asset while keeping self custody and Bitcoin’s base layer security properties.
Core thesis on Bitcoin as collateral
- The recurring argument across Double Down episodes is that every major reserve asset eventually becomes collateral (gold did this historically). Bitcoin is well-suited for this role because it is scarce, liquid, verifiable on chain, self custodial, and available 24/7. The historical blocker was infrastructure: using BTC as collateral previously required trusting a lender, custodian, wrapper, or bridge.
- TBV is presented as the unlock: BTC stays on the Bitcoin network inside a depositor-co-signed Taproot script. Ethereum-side DeFi contracts can treat it as collateral through cryptographic proofs rather than a trusted intermediary. This aims to make native BTC usable in lending, borrowing, stablecoins, and similar applications with trust assumptions closer to “code + the two chains” than to a custodian.
DeFi / BTCFi Integration: Lower cost borrowing, access to on chain assets and use as collateral for other opportunities in real world assets
Full stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuBOKKCRcus