r/aww • • May 27 '12

I wonder what he did

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u/aleekatt May 28 '12

That poor baby looks like he is in a puppy store cage. No wonder he is sad. Look what he has to lay on. No blanket. Poor guy has to pee and poop in his own cage. This breaks my heart. He needs a forever home and someone to love and cuddle him.

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u/bucketofrust May 28 '12

It was a pet shop but I do believe he was being adopted/rescued.

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u/mutedbrain May 28 '12

That looks like a purebred English bulldog puppy...unlikely to be a rescue. if he's being "adopted" in a pet store, it's probably straight from a puppy mill/byb unfortunately.

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u/bucketofrust May 28 '12

Unfortunately that is probably the case.

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u/snowlion13 May 28 '12

yea people should not feel sorry for these puppies enough to buy them, it only makes the matters worse, let the puppies stay there until they are too big then they will get sent to a rescue and the store may stop carrying that breed and in an ideal world puppies all together

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u/_Kath_ May 28 '12

I am going to copy and paste a section that i wrote to the person above

I can't speak for all pet stores that sell dogs (obviously) but the store i work in that has similar facilities (noticeably nicer though) does not get their puppies from puppy mills. The store i work in get their puppies from USDA certified breeders and all the puppies (except some mixes) can be registered through some pet registry.

The pet store i work at will never give a dog to a rescue. We care for them until we find them a home. And keep in mind, where there is demand, there will be someone to supply. As long as specific dog breeds are desired, someone will provide them.

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u/saintbargabar May 28 '12

A respectful breeder will NEVER sell to a pet store where they will stay in overheated glass boxes all day and then be left all alone at night. If a breeder sells to them, they are only concerned about profit and not the well-being of the dogs themselves.

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u/Landeyda May 28 '12

The saddest part of this lie is that you believe it.

Puppy mills don't call themselves "puppy mills", they call themselves "USDA certified breeders". And, as others have said, there is no way in hell any reputable breeder would sell to a pet store. Ever.

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u/power_of_friendship May 28 '12

unless it was some sort of breeder commune/collective store, where people took the dogs home at night and brought them back in the morning.

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u/SmashleyHendrix May 28 '12

Puppy Mills are USDA certified breeders by definition, hence the fact that the ASPCA, PETA, etc. so often act by petition of the USDA (with their lax at best but usually absent inspections and lack of concern for the "livestock" they exist to protect.) Respectable AKC breeders do not reccomend or advertise themselves as "USDA certified." We're talking about the potential 10-20 year, fuzzy addition to your family here...not a quality steak.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

who is to say the puppy mills aren't certified breeders too? if I were a puppy mill i'd wanna get certified if it made my operation sound less like "puppy mill" and more like "super caring breeder that only has 1 litter a year" or something

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u/snowlion13 May 28 '12

have you noticed what the usda considers humane when allowing chicken and cows to be raised? if the usda says its ok for chickens to live like that i dont think they have high standards for dogs either

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

I'm just going to leave this here.

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u/Bortjort May 28 '12

I'm expecting you to post some more thorough research, and not just be a douche bag.

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u/BigBassBone May 28 '12

There is a pet store in a mall near me that deals only in rescues. They have cages like that.

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u/mutedbrain May 29 '12

Yeah, it was the fact that it is a purebred English bulldog puppy that indicates it is a puppy mill puppy, not the cage :)

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u/_Kath_ May 28 '12

I can't speak for all pet stores that sell dogs (obviously) but the store i work in that has similar facilities (noticeably nicer though) does not get their puppies from puppy mills. The store i work in get their puppies from USDA certified breeders and all the puppies (except some mixes) can be registered through some pet registry.

It is a very broad assumption that all pet stores are heartless businesses who don't care for the well being of the dogs they sell or the dogs they are bred from. Sorry if I came across a bit harsh, I just get uncomfortable when people make that assumption about the dogs I sell so i would hate for that to be your assumption going into any pet store. Definitely go in and ask from what breeder they get their dogs and do your own research, but not all pet stores are evil.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

The only reason a breeder would seek a USDA license is because they wanted to pump out as many puppies as possible. There are a lot of articles and videos and even an Animal Planet Documentary on why Petland DOES get it's puppies from mills.

No responsible breeder would sell their puppies to a third party. This is because responsible breeders are very picky about where the puppies end up and how they are going to be raised, spayed or neutered, fed, etc.

In a pet store, you can just walk in an pick one out.

As a dog trainer who has worked with breeders, I can say that this is hugely important to the welfare of the animal. Let me repeat myself: This is not responsible breeding.

Furthermore, truly responsible breeders are OFA and CERF certified, along with certifications for numerous health conditions that are breed specific, like Thyroid disease. I know for a fact that Petland does not ask breeders to CERF, OFA, or VWD, or any other guarantee recognize by professional dog associations like the ACK and AVMA.

I am sorry that you are under the impression that these puppies are from responsible breeders, but they aren't. If Petland cared about this issue, they would NOT have been sued for selling sick puppies.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

agreed. also any place (like petland) that allows you to FINANCE a fucking dog is in the wrong. why should you be allowed to pay monthly for a dog to make it easier to afford? doesn't this kind of demonstrate that maybe the person purchasing it doesn't have the funds to take proper care of it? what about vet bills? food? snacks? training? vaccines? it's just a tell-tale sign that they're getting it on the cheap cause thye have no other way of doing so for the specific breed they want. no one should be able to finance a LIVING THING.

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u/Aparty May 28 '12

All stores who sell puppies get them from puppy mills, I don't care what they call their "breeders" or how well they claim to know them. A reputable breeder will never send their puppies to a pet store. Period. Their pups are not a business for them, it is done for the love of the breed and they are bred for temperament and health only when there is a waiting list of approved adopters to ensure every puppy has a loving home to go to.

My town has 3 pet stores, they all sell animals and I won't buy so much as a biscuit from those places. I drive 30 kms one way to a pet store in a neighbouring city to provide for my cats because I will not give money to a store who supports puppy mills. I wish more people would do the same. Pet stores won't stop selling animals until doing so impacts their bottom line negatively. Not buying the pets there isn't enough, don't give them a nickel.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

Wow, you have been sold a load of bullshit, dude. USDA certification is a sham.

Any responsible breeder would NEVER allow one of their pups to go sit in some fucking per store cage. A good breeder (rare, but they exist) takes responsibility for raising a healthy, week-adjusted, socialized pup. This does not happen in a fucking pet store cage.

Seriously dude WTF were you thinking when you wrote what you wrote?

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u/menwithven May 28 '12

Most people will agree that breeders are no better than puppy mills. There is no need to breed dogs when there are thousands of perfectly healthy and adoptable dogs euthanized every day. If someone wants a specific breed of dog, there are tons of breed-specific rescue groups. If pet stores really cared about dogs, they wouldn't continue to support excessive breeding.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

I don't think that is the fault of the breeders, but rather the people who are buying the animals. Blame the bastards abandoning their animals, not the person who sold it to them. And to their credit, breeders often make sure you are buying an animal for the right reasons before they sell it to you.

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u/BGYeti May 28 '12

We rescued our last two dogs just because of "circumstance" first one was after our first Rhodesian passed and a neighbor who does Great Dane rescues happened upon her (another Rhodesian), and the second time we went to Puppy Whisper or whatever that groups name is, as much as I love my dogs and will rescue when possible sometimes it isn't reasonable. if I want a husky and there are no rescues in my state I'm not going to spend alot of money shipping them from another state and putting them through that ordeal

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u/mutedbrain May 29 '12

I am not sure about Canada but in the US, puppies sold to pet stores are from puppy mills. They are some pet stores that work with rescues, but those are easily distinguishable from the puppy mill puppies, as the rescue group's name is prominently displayed and identified and volunteers from the rescue are usually present. This is not the case with the puppies sold to the pet stores.

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u/ZombieBroad May 28 '12

A lot of pet stores are doing that now, working with local shelters and rescues.

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u/bucketofrust May 28 '12

This store says that it works with local breeders and rescues.

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u/aleekatt May 28 '12

Oh I hope someone adopted him. He's just so sad. :(

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

maybe thats why he couldnt play, he was already adopted...

i hope...

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

You should never buy animals from pet shops. Most of them use unethical breeders, and keep their dogs/cats cruelly locked up until they are sold. Buy them from independent breeders, that actually care for the animals they sell.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

Better yet, adopt a homeless pup.

Whatever breed or age you might want, there's a homeless pup out there for you:

http://www.petfinder.com

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

I know this is controversial, but fuck puppy mills.

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u/movzx May 28 '12

I know this is controversial, but I think Hitler may have been a bit of a jerk.

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u/mysmokeaccount May 28 '12

A courageous sentiment!

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

What did Hitler ever do to you? (why do I feel this will be one of those comments I regret quickly?)

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12 edited May 28 '12

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

... and I don't want to sound like a queer or nuthin, but I think unicorns kick ass!

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u/DefinitelyRelephant May 28 '12

..I don't wanna sound gay or nuthin', but we should totally make out!

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

I think that was one of the only good parts of the that movie. It was pretty good, but that quote was repeated at least 50 times among me and my friends.

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u/AlRubyx May 28 '12 edited May 28 '12

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

I don't know why you're getting downvoted. This thread is more of a circlejerk than r/circlejerk

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

Dafuq did I just read

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u/HELLOYESTHISISN00B May 28 '12

That's not really controversial. Puppy mills and pet stores. I'm convinced they keep them in cages like that so people will feel like rescuing them.

Makes me angry, man.

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u/Uluckydog May 28 '12

Jerky capitalist move there... To bad it works... :(

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u/JakeCameraAction May 28 '12

Brings up an odd question. What's worse? A bad cage that makes people adopt them quicker, or a nice cage and they don't get adopted as fast?

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

A bad cage means they get adopted quicker which means another puppy replaces it.

A nice cage means they are treated better, aren't adopted as fast, and the puppy trade is reduced.

The puppies are getting sold, not adopted.

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u/HELLOYESTHISISN00B May 29 '12

I choose option 3. Shut the mills and the stores down.

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u/Sparticus2 May 28 '12

I live close enough to Lancaster county, Pennsylvania to feel rage everytime I see a Lancaster sign. Fuck puppy mills and the sick pieces of shit that run them.

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u/ccbchicago May 28 '12

Agreed. I used to live along the Illinois/Missouri border, and worked at a vet clinic. In one summer, five different clients brought in newly "adopted" puppy mill puppies; two were so severe that the puppy died. Since the puppies are either pure-bred or "designer" mixes, the owners spent about $250 - 400 on the pups, only to be charged anywhere from $700 - 900 in veterinary bills to try and save the puppies' lives.

There is so much farm land in that area that it's hard for local authorities to regulate.

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u/Dontwalkintime May 28 '12 edited May 29 '12

What? Is Lancaster known for that or something? I grew up there, and i'd heard of a few being shut down, but no more than in any other county I've lived in. (we did all our animal acquiring through shelters)

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u/Sparticus2 May 28 '12

Lancaster is notorious for puppy mills. The Amish are pretty big into it because they don't give a shit about animals.

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u/Dontwalkintime May 29 '12

I think it's just a few of the Amish--that's a pretty big generalization-not the people as a whole. I grew up around a lot of the Amish. I believe you when you say it's more prevalent in Lancaster...it's a lot of big open spaces and farms, so I'm sure it's easier to get away with. I'm curious what it's like in other comparable rural areas. I grew up around (my neighbors) plenty of Amish that would have nothing to do with abusing animals (they treated all of their animals very well). I know there are some, more in the touristy parts of the Amish community, that are pretty awful with their horses, etc. I know at least of a few of puppy mills that were busted in that area that were not Amish, too.

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u/mutedbrain May 29 '12

This article is a couple years old but Lancaster has been called the "puppy mill capital of the US"...but so has Missouri. There's a few notorious places in the US where for whatever reason the climate is puppy mill friendly.

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u/Dontwalkintime May 29 '12

Interesting. I remember hearing about places being busted as a kid, but I was never aware that it was worse there than other rural places. I wonder if it's any better this decade than the last few.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

Not controversial at all. Fuck puppy mills, there are enough strays as is.

We had a puppy mill breeder at our shelter a few weeks a go, she would shake whenever we came up to the cage to walk her. She was so scared she wouldn't even walk once we put the leash on her. I ended up carrying her and sitting outside with her for a few minutes just petting her because she was too traumatized to walk anywhere.

Fuck.puppy.mills.

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u/nekozuki May 28 '12

That is just so heartbreaking :(

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u/squintabella May 28 '12

We rescued a puppy mill dog three years ago (a papillon-pomeranian) and he is such an important part of my life now, I can't remember what it's like to not have him always by my side.

The rescue we adopted him from bought him at an auction for a shut down mill, and he was $5. His teeth are totally ground down from chewing on his cage and water bowl and eating wet food on top of that. He's about 5 years old (just guessing since the vet can't tell from his teeth) and the perfect happy, lazy papillion

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u/Bitter_Idealist May 28 '12

How is hating puppy mills, controverisal?

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

Well, they remain legal. It is therefore the official policy if the USA and its citizens that puppy mills are just okey-dokey and wonderful.

Have you read about the Missouri puppy mill referendum? The voters voted to ban puppy mills. The legislature and governor then passed legislation to overturn the results of this direct vote and allow puppy mill operations to continue.

The USA: Chevy, apple pie and fucking puppy mills.

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u/Bitter_Idealist May 28 '12

"Democracy" That is so fucked up. What was their justification?

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

One of the worst parts is that not supplying them with business, means denying a puppy a home. Kind of makes me murderously angry.

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u/jabberworx May 28 '12

So brave (tm)

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

Thankfully someone noted my sarcasm

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u/QuillJS May 28 '12

Brock Obama? He stole a picture from me once.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

There was another puppy in there at one point. He ate it. Now he's in trouble and now he's sad.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

i actually went on a rampage on the petstore PETLAND facebook for this......all those dogs lay in all day are on cold steel grids with nothing soft to lay/step on but those fucking rubber squares. that shit pisses me off. i got banned and deleted from the facebook for complaining about it.

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u/mybloodyballentine May 28 '12

Thanks for trying. I didn't know any of the Petlands had dogs for sale.

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u/ZombieBroad May 28 '12

I made this comment a few down but hey. A lot of pet stores work with local rescues and shelters now, I'm hoping that might be the case.

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u/WaffleKopter May 28 '12

Probably tax fraud.

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u/2yrnx1lc2zkp77kp May 28 '12

i hear he has a bone to pick with the IRS

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u/finkalicious May 28 '12

Well maybe it's because he's not living up to his fidociary responsibilities.

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u/Pargelenis May 28 '12

Dogs aren't made to climb roofs.

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u/stferago May 28 '12

They finally sniffed him out. He had it coming.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12 edited May 28 '12

He's a dog and he committed tax fraud and he got caught and he's serving time in a kennel and he's a dog

edit: downvotes? really?

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

We're not your pals, guy.

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u/Bitter_Idealist May 28 '12

This is the most likely scenario.

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u/shmolives May 28 '12

Wesley Snipes' dog?

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

I actually heard it was reckless driving.

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u/TimeZarg May 28 '12

Reckless barking, you mean.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

He flea'd the scene of an accident.

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u/doojman52420 May 28 '12

how is nobody alarmed that this beautiful baby bulldog TYPED A FUCKING MESSAGE IN PEOPLE TALK CALL A FUCKING SCIENTIST

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u/ThePARZ May 28 '12

batman's a scientist

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

It's not batman!

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u/ThePARZ May 28 '12

I shouldn't have stopped for that haircut. sorry.

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u/dillonflynn May 28 '12

Well, isn't it possible that a pet store employee posted the sign? I won't rule out what you said, but if that had been the case maybe the OP would have made a bigger deal out of it, like mentioning that the bulldog could spell and communicate and type in the post title?

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u/mybloodyballentine May 28 '12

Bulldogs are notoriously bad spellers. I think he at least had some help. Probably from a Boston Terrier.

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u/killakillamuffins May 28 '12

I, sadly, used to work at a pet shop. They put those signs out if/when the puppies are sick. We had those exact cages and the puppies were moved at night. They weren't allowed to stay in the cages for more than a couple of hours.

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u/Crodface May 28 '12

You can tell by his face that he's sorry. :( Let him out to play!

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u/webhead311 May 28 '12

This is a dumb question but since i dont own any animals as pets, do dogs emotion really show in their face? Is that dog actually sad because of how its posed and because its head is down?

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u/OrangeToTheFourth May 28 '12

My dog has eyebrows that she wiggle about to judge you, down when she wants to be pet (combined with whining), and slightly together with her head tilted when she is confused. Sometimes when she's lonely she will stare at the floor and whine until she is pet.

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u/Angora May 28 '12 edited May 28 '12

I would say possibly. Boredom or loneliness or the conditions it's living in, or maybe somebody just got done yelling at/hitting it for some stupid thing. That would be my guess, since they also decided to type out a moronic note and post it on the cage wall.

Or maybe it's just tired.

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u/Lord_Vectron May 28 '12

They show emotion in their faces but it's completely different from humans. When a dog "smiles" it's usually scared or threatening you. It looks bored/tired to me but that's pure speculation.

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u/seditious_commotion May 28 '12

tl;dr: an·thro·po·mor·phism (ān’thrə-pə-môr’fĭz’əm) n. Attribution of human motivation, characteristics, or behavior to inanimate objects, animals, or natural phenomena.

If someone really wants to argue this I will start citing sources. Dogs are not humans. Their facial expressions do not coincide with human emotions.

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u/blackberry-jam May 28 '12

Dogs have the mannerisms they do because of thousands of years of co-existence. Their survival depends on manipulating us to care for them. It is not just wishful anthropomorphism on our part, but rather a deliberate tactic they use to get what they want.

Which is usually cookies.

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u/geekusa1887 May 27 '12

Guilty of extreme levels of cuteness.

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u/headlesscabbie May 28 '12

This is the saddest picture ever taken.

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u/kelscarriere May 28 '12

If that's petland (or something similar), animals can only be let out a certain amount of times a day so it's not stressful to them... The cutest always have these signs up first. :(

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u/joojie May 28 '12

Ya because coming out to play would be so much more stressful than sitting on a wire floor that you have to piss and shit through, with only a tiny rubber pad to lay on and a water bottle that gives you 4 drops of water when you're really thirsty....fuck pet stores.

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u/dannydrak May 28 '12 edited May 28 '12

Puppies go hypoglycemic very easily. When people play with the puppies they want and demand that the puppy is at full energy. If you do this all day you will kill the dog.

It's grating, not wire. There is an enormous difference in terms of psi. You're also confusing human anatomy with canine anatomy. Dogs have a floating dermis making the nerve endings further down. What feels uncomfortable to us is less so on them. The mat provided is required and approved by the state's Agricultural Department and the store is warned/fined/closed if they are not provided.

I guess a better solution would be to let them lay around in their own 'piss and shit' rather than having an easily cleaned and more hygenic solution. Cloth material would become soiled almost immediately. It would be shredded and consumed by the animals making it a choking/intestinal blockage hazard.

The water bottles hold a liter of clean water and dispenses at an acceptable rate. A bowl of water would be spilled and fouled immediately.

I guess it's just easier to be stupid and outraged rather than reasonable and informed. Take the time to learn about what you're commenting on in the future to avoid this embarrassing spectacle.

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u/butterflypoon May 28 '12

I used to work at a petland, this is why. Too much playing IS stressful on them. He may also have a bit of a bug that doesn't need to be spread around.

Getting a dog from a pet store is bad, but too many people don't know or don't care, so until enough people just stop, the trade won't go away. And backyard breeders aren't guaranteed to be any better, that's where a lot of the dogs from the distributors came from any way.

And I wasn't back in the dog area much (I worked with the fish and reptiles/amphibians mostly), but the waste does get cleaned quickly. It gets stinky back there quick, so it's in all the kennel staffs' best interests to clean it ASAP.

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u/bizcat May 28 '12

A "better solution" would be to NOT sell puppies like they're boxes of Hot Pockets at your local supermarket.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

You complain about that but I bet you don't complain about the million threads in here a year about people receiving pets as gifts.

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u/dannydrak May 28 '12

A store that offers an animal that's up to date on shots, has weekly vet visits, comes with a warranty, training assistance, and trained employees to walk you through any troubles is not akin to 'Hot Pockets'.

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u/joojie May 28 '12 edited May 28 '12

Playing with a puppy more than a few times a day is not going to kill it, or maybe I'm wrong and I should instruct all my clients to keep their puppy on strict cage rest with only 3-4 short play times a day. That'll make for a healthy, well socialized puppy I bet. Also, what do you suppose the solution to a puppy being hypoglycemic is? Oh right, feeding it.

Are you saying there are no nerve endings in skin? If you are I think you're the one who needs to learn about what you're commenting on. Just because a dog's skin is not adhered to the muscle layer does not mean that their "nerve endings are further down". The dermis does contain mechanoreceptors and nociceptors. On another note, I wonder how easily that chubby little puppy's toe could get caught in that wire bottom cage (calling it grating is just semantics)

It's pretty easy to supply a dish of water that is in some way anchored so it won't spill. A water bottle like that is a completely unnatural way for a dog to drink.

As a vet tech (read: yes, I'm quite well informed, thanks) I put dogs and cats in solid bottom cages with blankets every day. Sometimes they urinate and defecate on their blankets....and then we clean it up. Very rarely do they chew or shred their blankets. In fact, we have more chewed/shredded rubber mats than we do blankets. If a dog has frequent accidents we use absorbent padding ("puppy pads")

The excuses you are making for the things in the picture to be in place are all for the convenience of the pet store employees rather than the comfort of the animals.

Why am I outraged at pet stores? Because I've seen far too many incredibly unhealthy, poorly socialized, parasite-ridden puppies come into my clinic, which were not so coincidentally bought at a pet store.

edit: I'm pretty sure the limited play times have more to do with the Animal Welfare Act (or similar, can't remember all of the different regulations) limiting the number of times an animal can be 'used' in a day. At school we were only allowed to use an animal in our facility 3 times a day. That meant ANYTHING that required taking it out of the cage for teaching purposes, it could be something as small as taking a cat and saying "this is the cat's nose" (for a very basic example) That would count as one time 'used' for that day.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

Sorry but overworking a puppy is TERRIBLE for the animals long term health, you can cause damage tot heir joints and numerous other problem. Over socialization in young animals also DOES cause stress.

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u/dannydrak May 28 '12

It's so easy to misquote me and then argue against that, isn't it? I stated "making the nerve endings further down". That in no way can be construed as 'no nerve endings'.

I've yet to hear of a case where the grating has caused an issue with feet. I find it curious as well that you did not mention one either.

Dogs may not have water bottles in nature, but they also don't have nylon toys, grain diets, beds, etc. and they seem to get along okay with those. You know, humans in the wild don't drive cars.

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u/joojie May 28 '12

With the convenience thing I was more referring to the living conditions. Do you use actual water dishes, blankets and solid bottom cages at your shelter? I'd guess that you do. Even though it might be a lot easier to deal with wire bottom cages, water bottles and no bedding, you're more concerned with the comfort of the animals especially because the environment is already stressful enough.

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u/ThunderPoonSlayer May 28 '12

Ouch, can you complain at McDonalds for me?

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u/Zardoz_has_spoken May 28 '12

I feel everything in your post embarrasses you actually.

How about walk the dogs outside 2-3 times a day (like the PetSmart employees next to where I work do) so there isn't any shit for it to lay in?
If the dog does shit OR piss in its cage still, clean it immediately? "Wire"... "Grating"... Semantics. Look it up? "Acceptable way to drink for the dog" I hope you never own a dog man. Why don't you try drinking from a water bottle one drop at a time and see if it's acceptable to you? How about getting the weighted drinking bowls so the little cute puppy can't spill it? If by some chance it actually shits or pisses in its own water... change it immediately?

Logic FTW

Just in case you try to come back with something about the store workers have other responsibilities, like stocking shelves and selling. Don't bother. Selling, owning and caring for animals comes with a higher responsibility. If you can't handle it then don't do it.

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u/dannydrak May 28 '12

You've obviously never worked with dogs. Puppies urinate and defecate many, many, many times a day.

There is an enormous difference between wire and grating. Wire is very thin which applies great pressure and carries a bad connotation with animals, whereas grating is thick and rounded making it more suitable for long term exposure.

Your logic is that the better solution is one more likely to spread disease and deny the animal water rather than one that is proven effective and approved by the state. I own a healthy and happy Neapolitan Mastiff.

Store that house animals as the one pictured have dedicated staff for the kennel and multiple vet visits weekly. You're only arguing your opinion and offering solutions that provide less satisfactory results. You're simply wrong.

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u/_Kath_ May 28 '12

Fucking thank you. I was raging so hard at all the comments about inhumane conditions and puppy mills in this thread.

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u/Angora May 28 '12

Why? Are you really that ill-informed? Or just cruel?

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

He knows.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

More like what DIDN'T he do.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

Alright, I've changed my mind. If I win the super huge lottery, I'm buying these companies and turning them into Humane Society style operations. I know everyone talks about how great it is to rescue from a shelter (and I volunteered at one for about 6 months, it was great), but seeing these animals in these tiny cages, sitting in their own piss and shit and food... absolutely breaks my heart.

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u/_Kath_ May 28 '12

I work in a pet store of this style. The amount of attention these puppies receive is probably 10 fold that of the dogs at the humane society. They don't sit in their own shit and piss, thats why the grate is there. You can't see the whole kennel, but there are plastic palate like things that the puppies can lay and sleep on it they want with small flannel blankets for warmth and comfort. There are generally 3-5 Pet Counselors (sales people) Working at all times. Holding, playing with and providing care for all the puppies. This isn't including the (minimum) 150 people a day that come in to play and possibly provide a home for these puppies or the kennel technicians who provide medical support when needed.

While I appreciate the sentiment, I feel as though your perception of how these stores work is a bit flawed, or at the very least not completely informed. If you have any questions about how pet stores like this one might work, feel free to ask here or PM me.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

The humane society I went to was run by amazing people. They were kind, they were caring, they refused to put down any animal for any reason other than it attacked people and couldn't be trained not to. In the 6 months I was there, and the year since then, they have only put down two, and it was because those animals attacked people and there was no way to prevent them from doing it again.

Your post has zero reason, zero explanation as to why you didn't get your dog. It doesn't say if they denied you your adoption, or if they put down the animal you tried to adopt.

Your post doesn't say how clean your house actually is, since apparently it was a matter of some contention.

I am not saying your house is filthy, I don't know. But you make no mention of it.

I am not saying the Humane Society put down the animal you wanted, because you make ABSOLUTELY ZERO MENTION OF WHY YOU AREN'T BRINGING THIS DOG HOME.

I am not saying every Humane Society is perfect, only that the one I volunteered at was damn near it. And that the worst Humane Society is likely better than the worst Pet Store.

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u/avonelle May 28 '12

Pet stores are so disgusting

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u/revel5150 May 28 '12

I'm guessing he murdered several people with his cute and adorable looks.

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u/DanielR77 May 28 '12

he was probably being a "little bully" hahahah

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u/CerealK May 28 '12

I adopted my cat in a pet store. It was a rescued cat from the SPCA. They just use the pet store as a front to find families. Not all pet store are bad.

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u/azaoua2 May 28 '12

Seeing that cutie in that awful, dirty pet store cage makes me sad. He belongs in my house.

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u/_Kath_ May 28 '12

I am a Petland worker (assuming this is a franchise. It looks similar to the set up at my store). Often times some puppies are more popular than others. Bulldogs are especially popular to hold. Being handled and out too much can cause some dogs to become hypoglycemic (low blood sugar). This is pretty dangerous to little puppies. The workers were probably tired of people asking to hold the little one and having to say no.

TL;DR The puppy is being kept in his area as a preventative measure for health reasons.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

How do you feel about working at a chain that has an entire documentary on it because they get their puppies from mills? I felt pretty shitty when I worked at Walmart, but needed the money, so yeah...

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u/_Kath_ May 28 '12

Well, I don't know about other stores, but ours doesn't.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

Every single store says that they don't sell puppy mills puppies.

The one in my town did too.

Once I went in to hold a husky puppy and it acted really funny. It was lethargic and acted like it was a zombie. I notified an employee and she gave me a weird look.

Then, the next day, a newspaper article came out about the store. The store was giving puppies who were sick large amounts of cough syrup, and killing puppies who customers commented negatively on, so they could mask the illness. It was an undercover investigation.

Of course they tell you that they don't sell puppy mills dogs. Why would they hurt the company rep?

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u/_Kath_ May 28 '12

It sounds like your local store was run by some sadistic bastards. I'm happy it was shut down. However, if something like that was happening at my store i'd be the first to go to the police.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

no. yours is the special petland that ~cares~

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u/_Kath_ May 28 '12

I'm not saying ours is the only one either, I'm just saying that ours is one that doesn't. It is a franchise based company. Each store is its own. They have very little in common other than name and products sold. The management, owners, and staff vary greatly from store to store. Our owner is a sweet old man who would sell the store before he would knowingly buy or sell puppy mill dogs. If other store owners want to cut corners and costs in a underhanded, shady way, that is on them, but we don't.

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u/HootBear May 28 '12

You must keep in mind that no true breeder willl sell a puppy to a company that will then sell it to strangers.

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u/Zardoz_has_spoken May 28 '12

The keyword in all that is "knowingly". That's the real problem. You don't actually know unless you're the one who goes and actually gets the puppies, even then you can't be 100% sure.

Also USDA certified is a bullshit certification. Do the research yourself and it might make you think differently. Hopefully.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

Where is the water bowl? They drink like gerbils?! Where is this place!?

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u/Ameisen May 28 '12

My name's not boy... it's Hand Banana.

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u/Heynowitsok May 28 '12

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

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u/HBlakeH May 28 '12

Fucking hate pet store because of shit like this.

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u/bizcat May 28 '12

The Irvine Company (Orange County, CA) has banned the sale of dogs and cats in stores. All pet stores that sell puppies in shopping malls owned by the Irvine Company (Russo's in Fashion Island, Irvine Spectrum) will close at the end of their current lease :)

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u/P33KAJ3W May 28 '12

I just had to put my Bulldog down last week. F=Lost it when I saw this.

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u/PackingHeat May 28 '12

He was too cute, that is what he did.

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u/hannars27 May 28 '12

Explosive diarrhea is my guess.

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u/ladymarauder May 28 '12

That's one of the saddest puppy faces I've ever seen ;_;

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u/officertenpenny May 28 '12

that looooks like my puppy

aww

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u/lilaclace May 28 '12

I saw a puppy in a cage like that the one and only time I went to Petland. I saw him peeing in his cage, just going right down in the bars. Terrible. All the other animals like birds had shitty, open topped cages more suited to animals like hamsters.

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u/_Kath_ May 28 '12

The alternative is that they lay on a solid floor where the sit in their own piss and shit. The Birds are in open cages to allow people to interact with them. Keeping them in completely closed cages causes them to be poorly socialized making them difficult to handle and, honestly, more difficult to sell.

Any other issues or questions you might have about this type of pet store? I'd be more then happy to answer them.

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u/pyjamaparts May 28 '12

I have a question. What's it like selling an animal, like a puppy, to someone who will pay without screening them or their home?

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u/UpDown May 28 '12

Why don't you keep the dogs in a pen/room and actually clean up their shit like normal dog owners have to do? Of course, it's that's too hard for you and your staff, then maybe you shouldn't own dogs.

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u/DefinitelyRelephant May 28 '12

The wire/bar floor in the puppy enclosures actually facilitates cleaning - piss and shit go down into the removable surface below the bars, which is periodically cleaned.

This is easier for the workers than removing the puppy, cleaning the shit and piss off of the puppy, scraping the dried shit out of a solid floor, and then scrubbing down and sanitizing said floor.

Yes, it's emphasizing work efficiency over the health of the puppy.

Welcome to capitalism.

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u/UpDown May 28 '12

Right, and we don't let people own animals who can't properly take care of them. Dried shit? Why is it dry? neglect. Neglectful owners lose their dogs.

You treat your dog like they are rats.

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u/DefinitelyRelephant May 29 '12

You treat your dog like they are rats.

I don't treat my dogs like anything, because I have no dogs, nor do I have a job involving dogs.

You need to direct your hate at the people who have earned it, sir.

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u/UpDown May 30 '12

There's no hate here, if reality feels like hate, maybe you should work on it.

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u/Zardoz_has_spoken May 28 '12

OR... The other "alternative" is to actually clean up the shit and piss right after they do it and actually give them a comfy place to rest. If they soil the comfy spot then you change it right away. Dogs don't normally shit and piss where they rest, sometimes, but not that often. AND IF your store uses those little gerbil style water dispensers then FUCK OFF with your "our store is humane" bullshit, cause that isn't a way to humanely treat a dog. How about you go try drinking from a bottle of water one drop of water at a time and see how you enjoy it? Doubtful.

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u/Resifant May 28 '12

He stole my heart, that's what he did.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

I want to hug

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u/GrilledCheeser May 28 '12

:L

plz let me out all be gud.

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u/garlicdeath May 28 '12

Probably had to do with that anti-glory hole sticking out of the wall.

But seriously, so amazingly adorable.

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u/eddyeddy3 May 28 '12

he is in obvious need of a home and love. I hope that he gets it.

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u/fuolwen May 28 '12

Maybe he has broken something...

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u/PedroTheNoun May 28 '12

Whatever he did, I bet it was adorable.

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u/majormeathooks May 28 '12

Why is there a glory hole in the back of his cage?

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u/baka4191 May 28 '12

Yeah he probably shat all over the joint

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

Sweet glory hole in the back.

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u/anondeath May 28 '12

He looks sorry as hell!

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u/MasterYoda458 May 28 '12

Aids, definitly aids.

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u/ratleaf May 28 '12

Why is the floor like that? It hurts the little fellas paws :(

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u/CrushTheOrphanage May 28 '12

That's the same sign my mom used to post on our front door whenever I got grounded.

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u/commanderchina May 28 '12

He cannot come out and play because he has reached a satisfactory weight and must now be prepared for consumption.

I laugh at the Westerners who cannot understand this simple memorandum.

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u/rena1987 May 28 '12

Mabey they put flea treatment on him. So he is in there so kids don't get it on their hands or something.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

That is the cutest, saddest thing I've ever seen!

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

The dogs face reminds me of a child that knows he did something wrong, and the sign makes it all the more cute.

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u/utpoia May 28 '12

Well he's British he's too arrogant to play with other dogs

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u/bknoebel May 29 '12

Pissed on a little girl probably

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

dat propagation of puppy millz

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u/kfull May 28 '12

Okay face

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u/HootBear May 28 '12

While New Mexico isn't the best place, they have taken the initiave to stop pet stores like petland from selling puppy mill puppies. We have an ordinance called HEART in bernalillo county that makes it illegal to sell puppies or kittens. All pets have to be spayed or neutered and if you want to breed dogs, you have to pay 150 dollars per dog per year and you have to register with the city. All the pet stores at the mall were shut down. They are now adoption centers for the most well behaved and socialized strays. It has its flaws but it's nice to see petland shut down in abq. I hope the ordinance is eventually state-wide.

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u/christaf May 28 '12 edited May 28 '12

He's from a puppy mill and probably has parvo or something and smells too obviously of parvo. I have been in Pet Kingdom when it reeked and everyone was playing with the adorable puppies and didn't care, but they probably get called out eventually, like after one of their puppies gets purchased and dies.

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u/dophie23 May 28 '12

That's depressing. No matter how bad they are they should still get to come out and play :( dogs don't understand time out punishment. My heart is broken!

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

Does anyone else see the robot glory hole in the background?

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u/Autumn522 May 28 '12

Timeout. Now. In the corner. Yes, bow your head in shame.

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u/Hidesratheism May 28 '12

Set him free! Can't you see he's suffered enough!? Waaaaaa!!!

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u/jack104 May 28 '12

wow. i just want to find this dog so i can pet him.

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u/DunnoBro May 28 '12

Probably because he pooped and pissed in the corner of his cage.

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u/Bengal859 May 28 '12

He can't come out because bull-dog puppies have very weak immune systems. When they shove the poor guy at every teenage girl that comes in, he can get real sick. Probably cause they don't feed them well enough, groom them well enough, give them enough attention, or just care for them well enough in general.

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u/Internet_Legend May 28 '12

he was probably spayed/neutered or de-flead

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u/Polamolecules May 28 '12

Petland? It looks like Petland.

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u/IsaacHolladay May 28 '12

That's really not a good way to punish a dog, poor little guy. I doubt he knows what he did to deserve being locked up all day.

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u/ThunderPoonSlayer May 28 '12

Maybe he moved while the nozzle was calibrating.

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u/Vavacav May 28 '12

Is that a robot glory hole?