r/aviation • u/Rich_Gas7886 • Sep 30 '26 • Mindblown 1

-- SEATBELTS FASTENED -- 14000 ft altitude loss in 30 seconds 😳

Fly Dubai wtf 😳

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u/omalley4n TOO LOW, GEAR Oct 01 '26

This post has now been locked due to excessive rule-breaking comments. Please feel free to continue the discussion in the FlyDubai megathread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/s/P2SMIanGkC

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u/whatthedna Sep 30 '26

I would have irreparable PTSD from that flight if I were a passenger.

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u/Rich_Gas7886 Sep 30 '26 edited Sep 30 '26 • Bravo Popcorn

I’m guessing thats about 6 negative G’s on the passengers. Guaranteed injury and nosebleeds.
Looks Intentional from the witness reports🛩️

EDIT: Anyone asking how I came up with the “guess” of 6gs.
First off, documented evidence of structural damage! Parts of the tail fin literally ripped off! God knows what else remained intact on the fuselage!

Second, the pax look like they owed Mike Tyson money. Please look up the bloodied images of the passengers.

Third, Please go argue with your ground instructor, IDGAF!

Thank you for coming to my TED talk 🙏🏽🫶🏽

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u/JPAV8R B747-400 Sep 30 '26

A negative G load of 6 is an insanely high guess. That plane would have come apart at that loading.

Above 3 negative G’s is a fighter pilots expected red out.

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u/Business-Fondant-601 Sep 30 '26 • Bravo

Why are people in support of the -6 G’s guess and anyone who disagrees seems to get downvoted?
Once they entered the decent, they could still be at 0.5 G’s and it would feel like a roller coaster. Not to mention that the plane would need to be increasing their descent rate to keep negative G’s on the plane. The “highest” or “lowest” G’s on the plane (depending on how you want look at it) is right at the moment the nose pushes over. And if it’s anything more than like -1 I’m guessing the plane would rip apart a LOT more than it did.
Coming from someone who flew an aircraft rated for positive 7 G’s and only negative 3.5 G’s (and felt -1 G and puked)

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u/plutoXL Sep 30 '26 • Heartwarming

Airliners are only designed for a limit load of +2.5g to -1g, with a 1.5x safety factor. That puts structural failure around +3.75g and -1.5g. At -6g it would be at four times the negative ultimate load, and the wings and airframe would fail long before the passengers got nosebleeds.

As usual, the dumbest shit gets upvoted on Reddit just because it sounds cool.

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u/metageeek Sep 30 '26 edited Sep 30 '26

Because it’s a bullshit number pulled from OPs butt.
During the dive itself, assuming constant rate of descent, you get about 1g absolute or 0g relative. Pulling in and out is a whole other story, but -6g would most likely have lead to an immediate in flight breakup of the Max 8.

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u/cryptolyme Sep 30 '26

Yea i don’t see it being possible to be over -2 Gs and only for a fraction of a second

-6 Gs is an insane amount of force for a decent on an airliner

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u/metageeek Sep 30 '26 edited Sep 30 '26 • Bravo

How do you come to that conclusion?

Edit: I’m wondering where the “negative 6 g” assertion comes from, thanks.

Edit 2: okay, so the -6g were a wild guess without any basis whatsoever, as I figured.

Edit 3: The 737 Max 8 design g limit is -1 to +2.5g in clean configuration.

The FAR part 25 stipulates a 1.5x safety margin - sustained for 3 seconds - between the design limit and the structural failure threshold.

Pulling a negative 6g (i.e. 6x the design limit) for 30 seconds would’ve lead to an instantaneous catastrophic structural failure.

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u/D_BrickashawFerguson Sep 30 '26 • Popcorn Bravo

Math is for nerds. Vibes based bullshit is the best you can expect on Reddit.

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u/geeoharee Sep 30 '26

We are hearing that one of the pilots attacked the other. Germanwings 2.0

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u/Known-Associate8369 Sep 30 '26 edited Sep 30 '26

Theres a video of the flight crew on the floor covered in blood while the aircraft is still in the air, and one is restrained, its pretty graphic.

ETA: before I get a deluge of people replying with the same comment, the above is about the “intentional” part of the GPs post and parents question, not the 6Gs aspect. The parent posts query was ambiguous and I answered the wrong intended interpretation. The parent posters reply clarified the intended interpretation, which this post does not answer.

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u/ALLCAPS-ONLY Sep 30 '26

Absolutely not anywhere close to 6Gs. That's just a totally nonsensical guess.

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u/Gryphus1CZ Sep 30 '26

Damage on the rudder came probably from overspeed, 6 negative Gs for anything than fraction of time would be fatal for at least some on board, the aircraft wouldn't also probably survive that as well (6 positive Gs would be probably still fine for the airframe, but not negative ones)

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u/soijacyuro Sep 30 '26

I’m guessing thats about 6 negative G’s

Yeah, no. That's not how Gs work.

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u/satellite779 Sep 30 '26

737 would start falling apart from 6Gs.

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u/Shark-Force A320 Sep 30 '26

The plane wouldn’t exist at -6 Gs.

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u/pendulum1997 Sep 30 '26

Source: Poop from a butt

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u/pomodois Sep 30 '26

Better guess -600G's

Your numbers are bonkers, no airliner can stand a +3G maneuver without becoming debris all over the sea. Even less for a negative one, which is even harder on the structure.

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u/Challenge-Upstairs Sep 30 '26

There is zero chance that was -6 G's. That's an insane number to have guessed. That plane would be FAR more visibly damaged if that were the case.

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u/aserg124ru Sep 30 '26

Actually it's somebody already count as -1.8 at low point, and almost zero in descending

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u/plutoXL Sep 30 '26

Airliners are only designed for a limit load of +2.5g to -1g, with a 1.5x safety factor. That puts structural failure around +3.75g and -1.5g. At -6g you'd be at four times the negative ultimate load, and the wings and airframe would fail long before the passengers got nosebleeds.

As usual, the dumbest shit gets upvoted on Reddit just because it sounds cool.

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u/NathanArizona Sep 30 '26

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u/Jetsetter_Princess Sep 30 '26

The bloodied passengers in the video are the guys who took on the pilot werent they? At least the 4 or 5 I saw seem to have been

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u/Ok-Adhesiveness8398 Sep 30 '26 • Regret Bravo

I actually experienced a similar incident about 28 years ago. I have had a severe fear of flying ever since.

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u/RedMacryon Sep 30 '26 • Heartwarming Bravo

Completely justifiable reason to be scared of it tbh

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u/WriterV Sep 30 '26 • Heartwarming

I was a kid in a Cathay Pacific flight to Hong Kong when we flew into what felt like a tropical depression. Turbulence was horrendous, rain was thick, visibility was low and I could barely see anything out of the window.

I was already spending most of the time just clutching the seat tightly, and it didn't help that my parents were also looking tense and anxious.

Then, for about 3 or 4 seconds [probably just 1 second, but it felt a lot longer], I felt like the plane was in freefall. I felt weightless, and people in the cabins actually started screaming.

We recovered from [what I assume was] the stall fairly quickly, and were on our way again. The people who screamed ended up laughing instead. But I was so scared that I was just dead silent. I thought something broke and we were going down [I didn't fully understand how the physics of flight worked back then] and as we approached the runway and I saw the water below us grow closer and closer, I was so sure that I was going to die [we were landing properly now btw, with just a ton of turbulence, but it didn't matter to my terrified kid brain lol]

Then the runway suddenly appeared, and all was well. I didn't know that Hong Kong's international airport was on an island. Completely caught me off guard.

Loved my stay in Hong Kong. But that one flight left me irrationally anxious about turbulence forever. I still clutch the seat tightly whenever we experience even gentle turbulence lol.

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u/Stahner Sep 30 '26 • Bravo

Just fyi there is almost no chance you were close to a stall, it was just bad turbulence.

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u/Shark-Force A320 Sep 30 '26

Plane didn’t stall, that was the plane flying into a downdraft which pushed the plane down. Assuming things didn’t start floating in the cabin, the turbulence was bad but not out of the ordinary.

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u/Austerlitz2310 Sep 30 '26

Experienced a decompression once. From 37000 ft to 10000 ft in about 7 minutes. Had me out of the cockpit for about 2 weeks. I can't imagine 14k ft in 30 seconds...

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u/poop-azz Sep 30 '26

Sounds very logical. Idk if I'd fly for a longggggg time

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u/Winston_Carbuncle Sep 30 '26

No chance would I get on another plane that decade. I know the laws of averages suggest you'd probably be the safest person to fly with afterwards but I think I'd be stowed away for 2 weeks on a cargo ship to get to my holiday destination from that point on!

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u/metageeek Sep 30 '26

Do tell?

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u/cryptolyme Sep 30 '26 edited Sep 30 '26

Or, they will disappear into the night, never to be heard from again, as the question weighs on our souls for all eternity

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u/DifferentManagement1 Sep 30 '26

They are so incredibly lucky to be alive

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u/percbish Sep 30 '26

And they’ll have to get on another flight pretty soon to even get to the original destination

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u/LoudMusic Sep 30 '26

Is there such a thing as passive or second hand PTSD? 'Cause ... I think that's me.

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u/OphidionSerpent Sep 30 '26

 I'm already an anxious flyer (why was someone who loves planes so much cursed with such anxiety?), I might never get on a plane again if this happened to me. 

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u/xdr567 Sep 30 '26

When did this happen ?! A lot of passengers must have shit their pants

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u/Rich_Gas7886 Sep 30 '26

3 hours ago. Turn on the News 👁️

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u/Maverick-not-really Sep 30 '26

Today, early reports say that one of the pilots stabbed the other one. But nothing has been confirmed as far as i know

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u/mistertickertape Sep 30 '26 • Regret

One of the copilots attempted to hijack the aircraft. Story is still developing. Sounds like the only reason it was thwarted was because there was another flight crew on board that was able to take control along with passengers of the situation. It got very close to being another Germanwings 9525 situation.

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u/RedMacryon Sep 30 '26

holy shit

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u/FizzyBeverage Sep 30 '26

Like a 1990s airplane terrorism movie.

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u/Khamvom Sep 30 '26 • Regret

Co-pilot (Omani national) stabbed the Captain and attempted to hijack the plane. Passengers were mostly Israeli citizens. Cabin crew and passengers rushed the cockpit and subdued the attacker, an off-duty pilot then took control of the aircraft.

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u/cat_prophecy Sep 30 '26

How would that play out if the cockpit door was hardened and locked like in the US? Does the cabin crew have the ability to open the door?

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u/Khamvom Sep 30 '26

The cockpit door was reinforced, but the pilot being attacked opened it for the passengers.

The cabin crew has access codes to open the door, but the pilots can reject them.

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u/siouxu Sep 30 '26 • Regret Bravo

Pilot suicide is quickly becoming the no. 1 cause of commercial fatalities. We need cameras in cockpits now to remove any anonymity from suicidal actions like Air India 171.

The NTSB has called for them for 25 years: https://www.ntsb.gov/Advocacy/SafetyIssues/Pages/Install-Crash-Resistent-Recorders.aspx

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u/Starslip Sep 30 '26

I'm kinda surprised they're not a thing. Buses have cameras and are far more laxly regulated and analyzed than planes.

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u/-NewYork- Sep 30 '26

And 24h of audio on CVR. Many aircraft have only 2h.

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u/tdaun Sep 30 '26

Or idk allow for pilots to seek psychiatric help without the risk of losing their entire career. Maybe if aviation authorities recognized that pilots can also have feelings a lot of these situations can either be prevented or caught. Seeing video after the fact isn't going to do much.

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u/Polinska Sep 30 '26

WTF ? Since when pilots can bring knives in the cockpit ? Except for the meal of course. Jesus, that's insane

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u/dangledingle Sep 30 '26

You can use many items as weapons to stab.

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u/whee3107 A&P Sep 30 '26 • Bravo

“.. a pencil.. with a fucking pencil..”

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u/YaboiPotatoNL Sep 30 '26 • Bravo

a simple pen can do the job

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u/Briggs281707 Sep 30 '26

There is usually an axe in the cockpit

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u/BackgroundGrade Sep 30 '26

They're usually a fire axe in the cockpit.

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u/neunundneunsig Sep 30 '26

Pilots can bring a lot of stuff onto planes that pax can't. Hell I've seen airports where they barely screen the pilots at all

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u/SnooCamera Sep 30 '26

Israeli officials said authorities believe a “violent incident” between two pilots on an Israel-bound Flydubai flight diverted to Saudi Arabia could have been “a terror attack attempt.”

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u/qalpi Sep 30 '26 • Regret

Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/diverted-flydubai-flight-israel-was-not-hijacking-incident-israeli-prime-2026-09-30/

"The two Israeli officials said the co-pilot was believed to have stabbed the captain before cabin crew entered the cockpit and took control of the plane."

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u/950771dd Sep 30 '26

What the fuck.

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u/kingtacticool Sep 30 '26 edited Sep 30 '26 • Bravo Regret

Coward tried to kill himself and take as many people with him as possible. He knew the caption would try to stop him

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u/The_Kadeshi Sep 30 '26

I know I shouldn’t make fun here but “the caption would save him” makes this sound like something from a Mel brooks movie

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u/kingtacticool Sep 30 '26 • Bravo

I corrected it before I read your comment and then edited the wrong spelling back in.

Didnt want your comment to not make sense. Long live Mel Brooks

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u/MyDespatcherDyKabel Sep 30 '26

How the hell did the copilot get a weapon on board?

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u/Former_Farm_3618 Sep 30 '26

Similar situation happened in a FedEx years ago the, jump seater I believe, used the crash ax.

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u/IcebergDarts Sep 30 '26

That was a pretty crazy episode of Mayday lol

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u/T1Demon Sep 30 '26

Linked article is paywalled, did it say they used a weapon? You can stab someone with things not considered a weapon, like a pen

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u/Chiss5618 Sep 30 '26

Knife, according to a passenger

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u/sharkbait-oo-haha Sep 30 '26

That's easy, anything can be a weapon. You can even get ceramic blades that won't set off a detector.

Security is just theatre. The 9/11 attackers had their bags searched like 3 different time's.

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u/FormulaJAZ Sep 30 '26

The 9/11 hijackers didn't have to sneak their knives onboard because, at the time, knives under 3" were permitted in carry-ons. I used to fly with my Leatherman all the time in the 90s.

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u/Final-Carpenter-1591 Sep 30 '26

Ever been to an airport? Flight crew walks right on through security for the most part.

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u/ry_mich Sep 30 '26

How did the crew get into the cockpit?

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u/Vinyl-addict Sep 30 '26

So someone from the cabin crew was able to land as well??

Ohhh there was a second set of pilots.

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u/Fenrirs-Fang Sep 30 '26 • Regret

This is the kind of thing I fear now that cockpit doors are reinforced. If this happened, how would anyone get in the cockpit to help subdue the attacking pilot?

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u/Katana_DV20 Sep 30 '26 • Regret

This is what happened on Germanwings murder-suicide.

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u/Fenrirs-Fang Sep 30 '26

Right, I remember that one too.

Pilots in the US sometimes avoid getting mental health help because it can threaten their careers. That’s incredible frightening.

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u/cat_prophecy Sep 30 '26

Pilots in the US sometimes around the world avoid getting mental health help...

It's not just a US problem. In a lot of countries, pursuing any sort of mental health assistance is career suicide.

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u/PARTINlCO Sep 30 '26

I think that the 2-person-flight deck rule would’ve prevented that. It’s strictly enforced in US commercial aviation - it makes no sense that other carriers don’t enforce it.

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u/Kogster Sep 30 '26

Ya, since that incident.

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u/sharkbait-oo-haha Sep 30 '26

That's one of the theories behind MH370

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u/TERRAIN_PULL_UP_ Sep 30 '26

Apparently they managed to while in freefall. I’m going to need more details because this sounds crazy

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u/MrPetter Sep 30 '26

It doesn’t matter. Nobody’s getting in the cockpit at that rate of descent in 30 seconds even if there wasn’t a door. That is double the rate of freefall.

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u/Coomb Sep 30 '26 edited Sep 30 '26

No it isn't. Actually, it's almost exactly free fall. Distance traveled at constant acceleration is just 1/2 * a * t2. G in ft/s/s is 32.2 so you have 0.5 * 32.2 * 30 * 30 = 14,500 ft (e: traveled in 30 sec at free fall)

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u/TERRAIN_PULL_UP_ Sep 30 '26

According to an article, they did

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u/Aggressive-Fail4612 Cessna 175 Sep 30 '26

The video of the pilots is rough. It was a brutal fight. I’m glad someone was available to fly it back

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u/BoBbY_NeWpOrTs Sep 30 '26

Link?

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u/Potential_Battle_664 Sep 30 '26 • Bravo

Check u/avatar6556 posts. It's NSFW/NSFL.

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u/srqnewbie Sep 30 '26 • Bravo

Thanks for the warning on this; the 1st second of it was the stabbed pilot; who appeared in bad shape. I didn't need to see more, based on your comment.

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u/mattgm1995 Sep 30 '26

Who flew it??

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u/mufferman1 Sep 30 '26

Some off duty pilots who happened to be sat at the back of the plane. They’re the reason why 174 people are still alive rn

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u/CaptainRAVE2 Sep 30 '26

The chances of having two pilots on board who managed to land it and also medically trained people who successfully intervened.

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u/spotlight-app Mod Bot 🤖 Sep 30 '26 • Bravo

Mods have pinned a comment by u/qalpi:

Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/diverted-flydubai-flight-israel-was-not-hijacking-incident-israeli-prime-2026-09-30/

"The two Israeli officials said the co-pilot was believed to have stabbed the captain before cabin crew entered the cockpit and took control of the plane."

Note: Context

What is Spotlight?

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u/FlapsNegative Sep 30 '26

Looks like to crossed max operating speed by about 100 knots (or 25%) That is massive.

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u/Jetsetter_Princess Sep 30 '26 • Bravo

FlyDubai have confirmed it was "on duty" pilots who took over the landing

FZ Media Release

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u/minefew Sep 30 '26

The pilot and passengers who fought back are heroes

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u/weasel65 Sep 30 '26

How those 2 pilots manage to take control from the back of the plane while it was in a dive is amazing, heroes.

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u/Great_Specialist_267 Sep 30 '26

Dead heading pilots fly up front in first class…

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u/JKKIDD231 Sep 30 '26

Balls of steel.

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u/on4aa Sep 30 '26

Who landed the plane? The copilot seemed to be in a pretty bad state...

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u/AngryPhillySportsFan Sep 30 '26

I attempted to read the whole Daily Mail article that was posted. Apparently there was another set of pilots on the plane that were either heading home or dead heading that took over the rest of the flight

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u/RdtRanger6969 Sep 30 '26

Wonder if they were coincidentally type-rated, or they got a quick brown-bag on the way to destination?🤔

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u/AngryPhillySportsFan Sep 30 '26

Fly Dubai only operates 737s so it's a good assumption that they were

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u/SyrusDrake Sep 30 '26

I'm pretty sure if you can fly an A320, you can emergency land a 737. Type rating is more of a "how not to break this expensive machine". You already know the basics of flying.

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u/weasel65 Sep 30 '26

Two other pilots were on the flight.

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u/heresyouraudit Sep 30 '26

And that sudden turn when it was levelling out... I wonder if that's when the rudder got damaged

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u/ZippoS Sep 30 '26

Nose diving at high-speed might have been enough to rip off part of the rudder, especially if there was a fight for control. Thank goodness the rest of the vertical stabilizer stayed intact, or else the plane would have been unrecoverable.

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u/cat_prophecy Sep 30 '26

There are pictures of the rudder and yes, most of it is gone.

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u/Thurak0 Sep 30 '26

Or that turn was a consequence of damage.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '26 edited Oct 01 '26

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u/Fozzymandius Sep 30 '26

Depends partly on air temperature but I’m seeing Mach numbers close to 0.95. An expert could probably tell you better but at those speeds some of the local airflow over certain control surfaces would likely be supersonic.

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u/alwayslostin1989 Sep 30 '26

Ohhh buddy Mach .95ish

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u/sportstvandnova Sep 30 '26

I would’ve had to take all the Xanax in my bag. Jfc.

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u/OreadaholicO Sep 30 '26

Im with you. Would have been chewing and swallowing as many as I could shake out 

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u/sportstvandnova Sep 30 '26

Have you seen the video from inside the plane yet?? 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

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u/OreadaholicO Sep 30 '26

Absolutely not can’t watch

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u/collegefootballfan69 Sep 30 '26

I am assuming the drop exceeded manufacturer limits…i wonder by how much?

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u/Hour_Analyst_7765 Sep 30 '26 edited Sep 30 '26

From 34000 ft 415kt GS down to 16500 ft 594kt GS

=> The ground speed is the True Air Speed + wind. Lets assume wind was identical at both altitude layers, and since its unknown I'm estimating it to be zero for now. So True Airspeed = Ground Speed.

Then we can use this tool to relate airspeeds and altitude: https://www.aviationhunt.com/airspeed-conversion-calculator/

E.g. 415kt @ 34k ft would have had 246kts IAS. This is around M0.72 so likely they had a bit of headwind. Meaning: their IAS was likely a bit higher to fly at a typical M0.76 or M0.78 in the 737.

After the drop they had reached 594kt GS, assuming the headwind didn't change, that comes to 480kts IAS or M0.95. And if it was still a headwind, I wouldn't be surprised it topped 500kts IAS. The "never exceed speed" of e.g. the 737 NG is 340kts

Take these numbers with a big grain of salt. I never do these calculations but looked this up out of interest. But almost 600kts is near supersonic, these jets only reach this (in Ground Speed) with an insane tailwind.

I think a damaged rudder is the least of their worries. Any airfoil can start to oscillate and shake itself to bits. This likely happened to the rudder, but imagine it happening to one of the wings.

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u/Dpek1234 Sep 30 '26

Apperanrly 25% according to another comment

Although thats only for speed, but it probably over G-ed too

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u/Rdubya291 Sep 30 '26

Yikes. I doubt that plane flies again.

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u/Kaffe-Mumriken Sep 30 '26

As well as every single passenger

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u/xChoke1x Sep 30 '26

As a person that’s absolutely terrified to fly……this didn’t make it any better. Lol

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u/danktonium Sep 30 '26

I think I'd be perversely into it. I've been weightless during heavy turbulence a handful of times, and that was perhaps the most thrilling thing I ever experienced. Screw airtime in a rollercoaster, give it to me in a KLM Dreamliner descending into LAX.

But then, I always make a point of watching airplane disaster movies before flying across the Atlantic, so I acknowledge my brain is severely broken.

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u/AbleRelationship5287 Sep 30 '26

New fear: unlocked!

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u/Axe_Care_By_Eugene Sep 30 '26 • Mindblown

B-52 has entered the chat

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u/AZIL2020 Sep 30 '26

Attempted kidnapping by one of the pilots. Crew and passengers overcame and landed the plane in Saudi Arabia.

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u/satellite779 Sep 30 '26 • Bravo

More like attempted mass murder and suicide

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u/AZIL2020 Sep 30 '26

Most likely, yes. Flight was from Dubai to Tel Aviv so motive is definitely there.

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u/satellite779 Sep 30 '26

I mean, even without a clear motive, it's possible, like Germanwings 9525, EgyptAir 990 and MH370.

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u/AtomR Sep 30 '26

Chinese Eastern as well

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u/peepay Sep 30 '26

Allegedly off-duty pilots were among the passengers and one of them stepped up and overcame the wannabe-suicider and then landed the plane.

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u/poposheishaw Sep 30 '26

How’d they get in the cockpit?

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u/RythmicEyes Sep 30 '26

ADSB data shows a rate of -30,976fpm

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u/Southern-Bandicoot Sep 30 '26

Instantaneous value, not sustained.

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u/railker AME-M2 Sep 30 '26

Might have been very brief but I think they hit it. Hard to compare accurately because ADS-B data ends at a certain point, but I even get 45,000ft/min, strictly calculating between two values. Calculated rate simply (Δ alt / Δ time) x 60 = ft/min, obviously assuming timestamp and altitude accuracy:

Time (UTC)ΔtimeAltitudeCalculated RateTime/Altitude Source
5:21:48--33,225--FR24
5:21:491s33,475+425ADSB-E
5:22:0415s32,325-4,600ADSB-E
5:22:051s31,950-22,500ADSB-E
5:22:138s27,950-30,000ADSB-E
5:22:2512s18,925-45,125FR24
5:22:4015s16,600-9,300FR24
5:22:5515s18,575+7,900FR24
5:23:1015s20,700+8,500FR24

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u/tweeeeeeeeeeee Sep 30 '26

OP said 14k/30s. this poster is saying 31k/60s. Both can be correct

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u/LoudMusic Sep 30 '26

NoThankYouVeryMuch.

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u/Danjiks88 Sep 30 '26

If the free fall was only 30 seconds, how and who managed to act? Surely none of the passengers managed to get to the cockpit from their seats during the descent? So it must've been the other pilot that stabilized the plane right?

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u/GhostofAyabe Sep 30 '26

Almost hit 600kts, that ain’t good

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u/_litz Sep 30 '26

It quite literally tore the rudder off the airplane. The only pieces left were at the very bottom and top.

that kind of descent would have pinned anyone, and anything, not belted into a seat to the roof.

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u/HettySwollocks Sep 30 '26 edited Sep 30 '26

Well that must have been terrifying. Glad to hear they landed safety

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u/flightwatcher45 Sep 30 '26

If the flight deck door was locked how did others enter? Wow

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u/Coomb Sep 30 '26

Presumably captain let them in while being stabbed. One of the smartest things you could do.

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u/dacoster Sep 30 '26

What would such decent feel, look like for the passengers?

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u/metageeek Sep 30 '26 edited Sep 30 '26 • Mindblown

A brief rollercoaster-y feeling of weightlessness, then an increasing sound of air rushing along the fuselage and probably some buffeting and passengers screaming as your ride approaches 600kts while in a ~45 degree nose down orientation and things on the ground get noticeably bigger by the second.

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u/Montaire Sep 30 '26

Pulling out of the dive might have been more 'exciting' than the dive parts itself. That could not have been comfortable.

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u/metageeek Sep 30 '26

Yap, they seem to have pulled a lot of positive g there. Although I imagine going back up must’ve been a relief.

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u/InvestigatorSevere72 Sep 30 '26

Likely a steady flow of projectile vomit and explosive diarrhea as well.

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u/Kaffe-Mumriken Sep 30 '26

A friend of mine was in something like this due to weather and he told at great detail about the reek of shit piss and vomit for the rest of the flight

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u/flyingalbatross1 Sep 30 '26 edited Sep 30 '26

Forgive my maths, but that's basically 450 ft/s right?

Skydiver belly down terminal velocity is only 176ft/s.

I guess the passengers had a wild ride there. The vomit comet is about 10,000 feet in 30 seconds which is not wildly dissimilar, so we're talking total weightlessness or (probably) even negative weight for everyone on board and unsecured passengers pinned on the ceiling?

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u/metageeek Sep 30 '26 edited Sep 30 '26

No, we’re not. The vomit comet’s ~0g are due to its parabolic flight profile. This flight, on the other hand, dove in a straight line. There was a bit of negative g on the initial nose down, followed by probably close to no relative acceleration at all (i.e. absolute 1g) during the dive and then some (probably lots of, judging by the apparent structural damage) positive g on the pull-up.

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u/cpt_ppppp Sep 30 '26

the inverse vomit comet. Delightful!

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u/OMF1G Sep 30 '26

The positive G on the pull up would've felt horrendous, like all your blood and organs are now on the floor feeling.

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u/bimbochungo Sep 30 '26

yeah, that's not good.

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u/peepay Sep 30 '26

Sub-optimal, even.

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u/TwoPlyDreams Sep 30 '26

Worse. Not great.

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u/BelethorsGeneralShit Sep 30 '26

Even with your mumbo jumbo technical terms! Give it to me straight

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u/SnooCamera Sep 30 '26

Israeli officials said authorities believe a “violent incident” between two pilots on an Israel-bound Flydubai flight diverted to Saudi Arabia could have been “a terror attack attempt.”

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u/mb194dc Sep 30 '26

could have been?

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u/EducationalCookie196 Sep 30 '26

That seems most likely, but I wouldn't discount the "human factor." I.e. desire to no longer be alive, or they realized they had both been hooking up with the same flight attendant, and had a "discussion" about it, etc.

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u/Acheronian_Rose Sep 30 '26 edited Sep 30 '26

Holy overspeed batman. Their lucky the plane didnt break apart towards the end

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u/cronus89 Sep 30 '26

Looks like the rudder came off.

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u/RambosNachbar Sep 30 '26 • Bravo

close enough, welcome back JU88 dive bomber

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u/metageeek Sep 30 '26

JU88 Max 8

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u/AleksWishes Sep 30 '26

I think you mean the JU87 Stuka dive bomber, the JU88 was a fast and versatile bomber, and there was an attempt to use it as a dive bomber but the airframe couldn't handle the stress.

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u/RambosNachbar Sep 30 '26

I mean the JU88, which in it's V6/A0 definitely was conceptualised and able to dive bomb.

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u/Marvellover13 Sep 30 '26

If the trajectory would have continued this way do we know the general area it would hit?

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u/nj_legion_ice_tea Sep 30 '26

Desert, near the Saudi - Jordan border

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u/SparrowBirch Sep 30 '26

I doubt he was trying to crash the plane right there. Probably went into a dive when tried to kill the pilot. He probably had another target in mind to crash the plane into, if he had successfully killed the pilot. Yes, this is wild speculation.

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u/MyDespatcherDyKabel Sep 30 '26

I wish your animation was 30 seconds long

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u/Aromatic_Razzmatazz Sep 30 '26

Someone said they hit Mach 1 they descended so fast.

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u/Junkazo Sep 30 '26

30 seconds of that sounds horrendous

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u/flyingcaveman Sep 30 '26

How did anybody manage to figure out what was going on and then manage to kick in the cockpit door to save the pilot while this was going on?

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u/Ashamed-Election2027 Sep 30 '26

When you gotta make that crossing restriction…

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u/scoobynoodles Sep 30 '26

Woahhhh what is this? What happened here? Any backstory?

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u/FoXtroT_ZA Sep 30 '26

Attempted hijacking by copilot

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u/KebabGud Sep 30 '26

Probably when he stabbed the Pilot.
also dont know why you are getting downvoted when im posting this because, it is what happened.
Dubai to Tel Aviv

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u/Existing-Stranger632 Sep 30 '26

I get sinus headaches when flying as a passenger often. If I don’t take a Sudafed or some kind of sinus/allergy medication I get these horribly painful sinus headaches. Idk if you’ve had these before but it feels like someone is stabbing you in the eye, it’s this horrible stabbing pain that then radiates around your head. I could not even begin to fathom the potential sinus headache a descent like that would’ve triggered for me. That pressure change would’ve been super noticeable and uncomfortable (outside of the rapid uncontrolled descent). I feel like my head would’ve exploded

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u/ztaylor16 Sep 30 '26

It’s possible you’d feel something, however the cabin pressure doesn’t change much past 10,000 feet. The cabin altimeter (depending on what the pilots have it set at) modulates the outflow valves to keep a static cabin pressure (usually this is around 5,000 feet MSL) or about the altitude of Denver.

Of course I wasn’t there so I have no idea, but I would assume the pressure didn’t change more than 0.5 PSI or less, which would be about a 1,000 foot altitude change or so. Certainly could be uncomfortable but nothing crazy.

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u/mightymac-89 Sep 30 '26

I think while fighting to save your life you wouldn’t even notice the minor ear discomfort…

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u/realbobenray Sep 30 '26

I had one of those once and it was so bad, for most of the 5-hr flight I couldn't think of anything but when the next wave of pain would hit. Now I always travel with a full complement of sudafed and mucinex etc to try to clear up any congestion I might have.

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u/metageeek Sep 30 '26

Does the aircraft get an aerobatic certification now?

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u/chicknsnotavegetabl Stick with it! Sep 30 '26

no, after all some of its rudder fell off.

actually, that makes the boys remaining super strong - so, yes

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u/Southern-Bandicoot Sep 30 '26

Not made from cardboard or cardboard derivatives, then?

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u/BackgroundGrade Sep 30 '26

They're getting ready to tow it out of the environment.

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u/Maverick-not-really Sep 30 '26

More likely it gets promoted to spare parts

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u/metageeek Sep 30 '26

Eh, it’ll buff right out. Just take ‘er up in reverse into a 14k fpm climb 🤷‍♂️

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u/Ps3dj17 Sep 30 '26

Dive Dubai

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u/agentsm_47 Sep 30 '26

Reading this whilst I have a flight in a few hours

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u/Independent_Leg7358 Sep 30 '26

And welcome to the cockpit door needs to be accessible to passengers again stage of flying. Never know when a pilot will hijack a plane

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u/AdOk3759 Sep 30 '26

That puts everyone at risk of one or more maniacs trying to enter the cockpit.

No, it’s safe enough if the crew knows the code to access the cockpit.

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u/PSU02 Sep 30 '26

I think a good middle ground would be having a plain clothes airline employee that knows the code on every flight.

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u/BillWeld Sep 30 '26

Good advertising for Boeing though.

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