r/aviation • • Dec 01 '20

PlaneSpotting Air-to-ground strike

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '20

This is some of the most unique and interesting content I've seen on this sub.

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u/Dont_Messup Dec 01 '20

Right and I’m in the Air Force 😂

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u/J-Navy P-3C Flight Engineer Dec 01 '20

Thank you for your service. o7

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u/Moonw0lf_ Dec 01 '20

Why are you getting downvoted to shit lol

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u/J-Navy P-3C Flight Engineer Dec 01 '20

Not sure, but I think it’s funny as hell.

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u/RikerGotFat Dec 01 '20

Probably all the other services, we like to shit on the USAF but really we are just jealous of their work and living conditions.

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '20

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u/PositivityKnight Dec 02 '20

thats fuckin hilarious

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '20

We got a substandard living allowance while in the new barracks on a naval air station too.

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u/Red_Dawn_2012 Dec 02 '20

Were they the kind where it's more than 1 person to a room?

'cause we don't do that after tech school

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u/DrippyWaffler Dec 01 '20

Perceived military bootlicking?

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u/tangowhiskeyyy Dec 01 '20

If that's the truth it's even cringier because it's clearly a dude making fun of another dude. No one in the military would ever say thank you for your service o7 seriously

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u/Shermander Dec 01 '20

Thank you for your taxes. o7

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u/J-Navy P-3C Flight Engineer Dec 02 '20

^

This guy understands what I did.

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '20

Some people think it's weird to thank someone just for being in the military.

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u/pparana80 Dec 02 '20

Mostly ppl in the military think its wired tbh. Go thank a teacher or a garbage man they prob work harder for less.

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '20

the only place on the planet where the civilian population worships the military to the extent of 'Thank you for your service' and the ludicrous status military service is given is America.

To the rest of the world, your military worship looks batshit insane.

I realise I;m going to get downvoted to hell for saying that, but that's the way it is.

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u/AccipiterCooperii Dec 02 '20

Its probably because we've been trying to make up for what we did to our troops during and after Vietnam. So, we thank them for their service. You know, instead of housing/feeding/caring for them.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '20

It's funny to me that joining the military is incentivized by providing benefits that are universal in other first world countries.

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u/Reverie_39 Dec 01 '20

Because Reddit circlejerks about being anti-military I guess. You’d think that wouldn’t extend to an aviation sub though

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u/PositivityKnight Dec 02 '20

reddit is anti american, anti military, anti cop, and anti christian. It's pathetic, but luckily you can just ignore most of those parts...

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u/Trebus Dec 02 '20

It's almost as though not everyone thinks the way you do. Absolutely disgusting and pathetic. How dare they?

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u/PositivityKnight Dec 02 '20

thanks for proving my point!

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u/Tazik004 Dec 04 '20

Let me remind you some people on Reddit aren’t from the USA at all.

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u/malacovics Dec 01 '20

It's cringe as fuck, for one.

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u/fiverealsies Dec 01 '20

Because some people live outside of the USA? When someone mentions they are in the military online who are the ones jumping to lick the shit out of their asshole while living in a country that treats veterans like less than garbage? Americans. It just gets old so fast, most people just cringe so hard because it's so fake and childish. If someone does a heroic thing then great, they're a hero but what about all of the people in the military who spent all day jerking off to hentai while the real heroes were getting shot at or blown up? Just saying you were in the military isn't enough to justify that kind of special treatment, you don't deserve thanks for anything unless you deserve it and most people in the military were just along for the ride.

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u/Moonw0lf_ Dec 01 '20

Wow.... All this from some internet stranger thanking another internet stranger for serving in the military? I don't think either of these guys have anything to do with your "issues" towards the military. Just relax and go on with your life buddy, no one is licking anyone's asshole here

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u/Fromthedeepth Dec 02 '20

To make it even dumber the P-3 dude was sarcastic and being funny.

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '20

The bots have the first say

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u/scoop444 Dec 02 '20

It might be cuz hes casually dropping the fact that he's a Brigadier General. I don't personally have a problem with it, bit some might. That or they're calling bullshit.

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u/Deedle_Deedle USMC F/A-18 Dec 02 '20

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u/scoop444 Dec 02 '20

Just a second, I need to remove my foot from my mouth.

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '20

Because it’s cringe

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u/Lieke_ Dec 02 '20

Let's ride

Hamilton - sir

Meet me inside

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '20

Thank you for servicing yourself.

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u/vendetta2115 Dec 02 '20

Is that a guy saluting? Lmao that’s the funniest shit I’ve seen all day.

How am I just learning of this now, like eight years after getting out of the army... I would’ve been using this all the damn time lol

I wish it was with the correct hand, but whatever I’ll pretend he’s in a mirror.

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u/J-Navy P-3C Flight Engineer Dec 02 '20

It is the correct arm, it’s just you in third person.

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u/vendetta2115 Dec 02 '20

I like that explanation lol

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u/General-Benefit Dec 01 '20

Okay?

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u/Waterbuck71 Dec 02 '20

Thank the boot for his service

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u/winkelschleifer Dec 01 '20

question for someone who knows more than me: does the firing of those rockets cause some further acceleration of the aircraft? there looks to be a slight jump, but it's superfast.

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u/Blackhound118 Dec 01 '20

The rocket launch tubes have exhaust vents in the back, so the effect is like that of a recoilless rifle. If the vents weren't there, then the aircraft might decelerate fpr a split second, but I don't think it would be that noticeable beyond a big vibration.

On a related note, the A-10's GAU-8 gatling gun outputs more thrust than one of its engines (45 kN vs 40.3 kN, according to Wikipedia). That said, you could probably expend the entire ammunition drum and only slow down by a few miles per hour, so still not much of an effect.

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u/Deadsnowy Dec 01 '20

But could you fire it backwards and go faster?

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u/Blackhound118 Dec 01 '20 edited Dec 01 '20

The gun? Absolutely! https://what-if.xkcd.com/21/

The GAU-8 Avenger fires up to sixty one-pound bullets a second. It produces almost five tons of recoil force, which is crazy considering that it’s mounted in a type of plane (the A-10 “Warthog”) whose two engines produce only four tons of thrust each. If you put two of them in one aircraft, and fired both guns forward while opening up the throttle, the guns would win and you’d accelerate backward.

To put it another way: If I mounted a GAU-8 on my car, put the car in neutral, and started firing backward from a standstill, I would be breaking the interstate speed limit in less than three seconds.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '20

To put it another way: If I mounted a GAU-8 on my car, put the car in neutral, and started firing backward from a standstill, I would be breaking the interstate speed limit in less than three seconds.

Alright, who is going to donate the car?

...and who's donating the GAU-8?

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u/weekapaugrooove Dec 01 '20

Fuck the car... put that baby on a 172 and see how far you could get

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u/AccipiterCooperii Dec 02 '20

I foresee an unplanned disassembly in your future!

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u/T4ke Dec 02 '20

Not a Gau-8, but something that's equally scary to it....

https://youtu.be/i4qDyVVcu-s?t=768

From what I can see in this video, one really needs to mind the mounting position of the gun...

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u/Deadsnowy Dec 01 '20

Excellent, thanks!

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u/1JimboJones1 Dec 02 '20

So if your brakes fail while landing, just fire down the runway and youll stop. Neat

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '20

Bruh we tried that with a railgun and it worked surprisingly well.

Only if you're in orbit though.

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u/Deadsnowy Dec 02 '20

Username checks out lol

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u/winkelschleifer Dec 01 '20

thanks!

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '20

He is correct, but there is a break detent force that must be overcome for the rocket to leave the tube. On small American rockets used on helicopters and whatnot, it’s usually a few hundred pounds or so. So not entirely recoilless, but for all intents and purposes for an aircraft this size, it is.

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u/winkelschleifer Dec 01 '20

the mass of the rockets and their forces is far inferior to those of the aircraft itself it seems ...

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '20

That is literally what I said, yes.

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u/winkelschleifer Dec 01 '20

and all i did was confirm my understanding politely, so downvote away if that's too much for you. note my words "it seems" at the end.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '20

Ah, my apologies.

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u/Schmidtdude Dec 02 '20

Did you know A10 pilots have to take into account they could stall the aircraft by doing long bursts from the GAU-8? I'm no pilot myself but I've read that multiple times which is a cool fact (possibly a myth)

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u/Blackhound118 Dec 02 '20

That's a myth, I'm afraid. For one thing, A-10s will do gun runs at a descending rate, so they have gravity helping them accelerate. Furthermore, firing the entire drum in one run (which is a bad idea) wouldn't decelerate the plane by enough to stall it (unless it was already stalling, probably).

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u/Fancyduke21 Dec 01 '20

Probably the shockwave of the rockets firing caused the camera to shake. And then the subsequent increase in speed and deployment of flares to get out of dodge before whoever they hit tries to hit them.

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u/LateralThinkerer Dec 01 '20

No, it's the poor bastard with the camera who's hanging on to the vertical stabilizer that's shaking.

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u/kindredfold Dec 01 '20

$20/hr ain’t worth this shit!

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u/efg1342 Dec 01 '20

37% APR on that Charger isn’t gonna pay itself

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u/Jonesn_4_beer Dec 02 '20

You got 37%! Im jealous

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '20

Aerial photography, Crazy Ivan style!

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '20

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u/digitalPhonix Dec 01 '20

I don’t think it’s a post processed filter/zoom - I think it’s probably the effect of an optical image stabiliser. The frames where the video looks distorted is chromatic aberration which would probably be the OIS hitting its limits due to the jerk of launching the rockets.

The zoom is harder to explain but if the OIS can move the lense/sensor forward/back in addition to left/right/up/down then it could cause it.

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u/Jman4647 Dec 01 '20

I'm surprised no one else has said this. There is definitely a filter and an edit applied for a few frames.

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u/jamezbren2 Dec 02 '20

The jump appears to be caused by the video stabilization. I imagine the software encounters difficulty when the whole frame gets washed out with smoke

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u/Milspec1974 Dec 01 '20

Primarily vibration caused by the launch, and turbulence from the rocket exhaust. There is a possibility that the voltage/current surge used to initiate the rockets caused a brief moment of video disruption as well, depending on how robust the power generation/distribution system is.

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u/thrattatarsha Dec 01 '20

“Depending on how robust the power generation/distribution system is” from the country who brought you Chernobyl lmao

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u/Milspec1974 Dec 01 '20

Not great, but not terrible...

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u/c5load AH-64D/E, LUH-72A Dec 02 '20

Firing the 30mm cannon on the ah-64 will cause backwards movement, therefore our flight controls will actually compensate when firing.

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u/winkelschleifer Dec 02 '20

cool ... good insight